Number of Regions/Regional Governments (DEBATE CLOSED)

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Would everybody be okay with a final vote on this? Having dealt with 3.6, the rest seems pretty uncontroversial and/or has already been settled by previous votes/amendments.

[Where We Griff 1 We Griff All]

Aye for the record. I trust the regions to decide the number of their legislative assemblies.

Literally the majority of the reason we are here is that we cannot "trust" them to handle this task effectively, and because of the failed little experiment of "muh regions" that infused this game with way too much inflation office-wise.

[Leinad]

It's interesting that some have brought up the South as an example of how the Regions can handle this themselves, considering that just days ago the Southern Legislature was on the verge of expanding its membership to unsustainable levels (and would have done so had I not spent a good chunk of my weekend explaining to them why this was an utterly horrible idea).

Well...uh...I can't exactly say you're not not incorrect...

There are more opportunities for them to get it wrong. It's four dynamics (3 Regions + Federal) versus one. It's akin to facing a choice where you install four separate parts - each with effective obsolesce - or one part. Considering that even just one Region getting it wrong will impact the entirety of the game (as I explained above with respect to population distribution), there is a vested interest in the game at-large giving this power to a centralized entity that can handle it more efficiently, rapidly and universally. The game's residents as a whole don't have a vessel through which they can unilaterally demand change if a particular Region has too few or too many offices; only the residents of that Region can require action to be taken - unless there is a federal solution.

But with your method there's 1 group that can get it really wrong. And I still don't think the entire universe will blow up if 1 region has a couple more legislative seats than they should.

Should there be some sort of federal rules? Maybe. Perhaps a mechanism to overrule something if a region gets out of hand. But simply banning them from increasing the number of seats goes too far.

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Of course they will not do identical things--that's the point. Some will have more success than others, and if a region is bringing everyone else down I would hope good citizens will point it out to them and they would fix the problem. Unless the region is entirely occupied by people literally trying to destroy Atlasia, I'd wager they'd see the light.

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No, it's an example. I'm not basing my argument on it.

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Of course it's generally true, but I think it's more accurate to measure it to candidates running. However, if you do that you can't really standardize it. And I get why you want to standardize it, sure. I understand the benefits of that. I just disagree--I think that it adds more to the game if the regions can control their own legislature size.

I'm glad that the majority of this Convention (that voted) agrees.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Seeing no further debate, I motion for a final vote on this Article. Delegates have 24 hours to object.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Seeing no objection, a FINAL VOTE is now open on this Article. Please vote AYE, NAY, or Abstain. Voting will last 48 hours or until all delegates have voted.

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[Classic Conservative]

Aye

[Chief Justice windjammer]

Aye

[NeverAgain]

Aye

[Clyde1998]

Nay

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

AYE!

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Aye

[VPH]

Nay as a protest vote on the idea of 3 regions and not 4 like I've wanted all along

[tmthforu94]

Aye

[Where We Griff 1 We Griff All]

Nay as a protest vote, because we have stripped the biggest individual enforcement mechanism in this document designed to prevent the problems that brought us here in the first place, and history will vindicate me yet again.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Nay,

Sections 2 and 3 are fine by me but Section 1 stands in complete opposition to what I've fought for. That would be the maintaining our current 5 region map (give or take small tweaks).

[Leinad]

AYE!

[Blair]

aye

[Senator Cris]

Aye

[Lincoln Republican]

It's not perfect, we are giving regions license to be victims of their own stupidity, but

Aye

[Prince of Salem]

It's not perfect, we are giving regions license to be victims of their own stupidity, but

Aye

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

By a vote of 10 Ayes, 4 Nays, and with one vote invalid and eight delegates not voting, this Article has been ADOPTED.

As such, I hereby declare debate to be CLOSED in this thread.