Number of Regions/Regional Governments (DEBATE CLOSED)

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Aye. In reality, it is not a decision to be undertaken lightly.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

With a vote of 11 Ayes, 3 Nays, 1 Abstention, and 10 delegates not voting, Truman's amendment has been adopted.

[Clyde1998]

Just to confirm - after final Constitution has been approved by the delegates, does it go to a public vote on the proposed constitution?

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

As promised, we will now proceed with a two-stage principle vote on Regional nomenclature. Delegates have 72 hours to suggest names for the proposed Regions; at the expiration of that time, a 48-hour principle vote will be held to select the best proposal.

For the sake of simplicity (and so that I know which name goes with which Region), I ask that you submit your proposals in this format:

Region A (blue) _____________________
Region B (green) _____________________
Region C (red) _____________________

Just to confirm - after final Constitution has been approved by the delegates, does it go to a public vote on the proposed constitution?

Correct. Just like Constitutional Amendments, the new Constitution will need to be ratified by 4 of the 5 Regions.

[Clyde1998]

Region A (blue) West
Region B (green) South
Region C (red) Northeast

[Lincoln Republican]

Region A (blue) Fremont_____________________
Region B (green) Rayburn_____________________
Region C (red) Franklin_____________________

[Leinad]

So what are the rules on letting the regions decide? Will that be determined seperately? Because there are clear disagreements in this Convention about that. This ConCon was called to make this nation better that before, and this is something that would make Atlasia worse that before, even if just slightly.

If it needs to be officially proposed, than I hereby offically propose to make it where the regions can decide their own name.

[Former Lincoln Assemblyman & Lt. Gov. RGN]

Region A (blue) West_____________________
Region B (green) South_____________________
Region C (red) Northeast_____________________

[Associate Justice PiT]

So what are the rules on letting the regions decide? Will that be determined seperately? Because there are clear disagreements in this Convention about that. This ConCon was called to make this nation better that before, and this is something that would make Atlasia worse that before, even if just slightly.

If it needs to be officially proposed, than I hereby offically propose to make it where the regions can decide their own name.

     Indeed, I am not comfortable with regional names being defined in the Constitution. They have historically been a matter that was decided internally within the regions, and lots of debate and activity has resulted from this choice being devolved to the regions. I believe that they should continue to have that choice.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Region A (blue) West_____________________
Region B (green) South_____________________
Region C (red) Northeast_____________________

[Leinad]

Truman hasn't opened the voting yet, right? Why is everyone suggesting the same things over and over again?

Anyway, I suggest to the Presiding Officer that there be two votes: one for the starting names, and another for whether the regions are allowed to change the names or not.

And while I'm at it, this is a good a time to bring it up as any: I presume the three new regions will have constitutional conventions of their own, right? Are there any details set up for that? If not, that should be defined in some way.

[Clyde1998]

Truman hasn't opened the voting yet, right? Why is everyone suggesting the same things over and over again?

Anyway, I suggest to the Presiding Officer that there be two votes: one for the starting names, and another for whether the regions are allowed to change the names or not.

And while I'm at it, this is a good a time to bring it up as any: I presume the three new regions will have constitutional conventions of their own, right? Are there any details set up for that? If not, that should be defined in some way.

He's opened up for name suggestions - I think. However, it would be much easier to just hold the vote on the region names now.

[VPH]

Region A (blue): _______McGovern______________
Region B (green): ______Kefauver_______________
Region C (red): ________Kennedy_____________

[GA > OH, FL, NC]

Region A (blue) Wolfen
Region B (green) Griffin
Region C (red) Hamilton

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Region A (blue) bgwah
Region B (green) Duke
Region C (red) Scott

FTFY

[Lincoln Republican]

Since it is obvious that this convention is not going to adopt the sensible names  suggested by Truman and myself, why not simply go with the obvious West, South, North.

I say North because not all of the states in the red area are actually Northeast states.  North is actually more representative of the red region than is Northeast.

In the interest of unity, I ask my fellow delegates to get behind the names of West, South, North, and let us get on with other matters.

West, South, North should not be objectionable or controversial.

I change my vote to West, South, North.   

Region A (blue)West_________________
Region B (green) South_____________________
Region C (red) North_____________________

[GA > OH, FL, NC]

Region A (blue) bgwah
Region B (green) Duke
Region C (red) Scott

FTFY

Sorry, those don't have a mnemonic device!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I do agree with North as being superior to Northeast. However, I must insist that the the right of the regions to change their names be preserved.

[Leinad]

I do agree with North as being superior to Northeast. However, I must insist that the the right of the regions to change their names be preserved.

Agreed on both accounts. It's silly to call Wisconsin and Illinois the "Northeast," but it's even sillier to keep these regions from changing their names.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

I do agree with North as being superior to Northeast. However, I must insist that the the right of the regions to change their names be preserved.

Agreed on both accounts. It's silly to call Wisconsin and Illinois the "Northeast," but it's even sillier to keep these regions from changing their names.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

A principle vote is now open on the question of Regional nomenclature. Please rank the following proposals according to your preference. Voting will last 48 hours or until all delegates have voted.

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[tmthforu94]

[1] West, South, Northeast
[   ] Fremont, Rayburn, Franklin
[   ] McGovern, Kefauver, Kennedy
[   ] Wolfen, Griffin, Hamilton
[   ] Bgwah, Duke, Scott
[2] West, South, North
[3] Let the Regions name themselves

[MadmanMotley]

[] West, South, Northeast
[2] Fremont, Rayburn, Franklin
[   ] McGovern, Kefauver, Kennedy
[   ] Wolfen, Griffin, Hamilton
[   ] Bgwah, Duke, Scott
[3] West, South, North
[1] Let the Regions name themselves