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Adam Griffin
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« Reply #300 on: October 25, 2015, 05:30:34 am »

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« Reply #301 on: October 25, 2015, 11:58:36 am »

How many regions there should be?

Preference (1 being what I want most)

[ 5 ] 0 regions
[ 6 ] 1 region
[ 4 ] 2 regions
[ 2 ] 3 regions
[ 1 ] 4 regions
[ 3 ] 5 regions
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« Reply #302 on: October 25, 2015, 12:01:59 pm »

How many regions there should be?

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[1] 3
[2] 4
[3] 5
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« Reply #303 on: October 25, 2015, 01:25:14 pm »

I think there's a place for regions in the game. Eliminating regions, or the federal government, would be a terrible mistake.

Why?  Provide positive evidence for your assertion that such a system is a good idea.  You have provided evidence against your idea, which is an intriguing rhetorical angle:

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« Reply #304 on: October 25, 2015, 01:29:58 pm »

[1] 4 regions
[2] 3 regions
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« Reply #305 on: October 25, 2015, 01:42:02 pm »

I think there's a place for regions in the game. Eliminating regions, or the federal government, would be a terrible mistake.

Why?  Provide positive evidence for your assertion that such a system is a good idea.  You have provided evidence against your idea, which is an intriguing rhetorical angle:

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I think the idea is that with less regions and positions, elections would become more competitive. I would point to the Northeast now or how the Mideast used to be a year or so ago - heck, once we had 11 candidates running for 5 spots in the Assembly. If we can establish three regions that look like that, I think it is inherently a good thing.
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« Reply #306 on: October 25, 2015, 03:03:11 pm »

I think there's a place for regions in the game. Eliminating regions, or the federal government, would be a terrible mistake.

Why?  Provide positive evidence for your assertion that such a system is a good idea.  You have provided evidence against your idea, which is an intriguing rhetorical angle:

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Yeah, basically what Tmth said.

Also, my evidence is against 5 regions, not against regions in general. I suppose you could draw a conclusion that regions in general are a bad idea, but that seems as silly as giving up on sandwiches because you didn't like a tuna salad and peanut butter one.

To provide evidence for the idea, I'd say that the two-tiered system where people can be introduced to the game on the smaller scale of the regional legislature is good. Also, think about how much of the structure of the current Atlasia you'd lose: the positions of governor and regional legislator completely. This isn't an insignificant part of the game eliminating regions would destroy--it's a fairly large part.

I think that regions are a good idea, it's just that we don't really have the capacity for 5. Fortunately that seems to be the consensus here as well.
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« Reply #307 on: October 25, 2015, 04:51:14 pm »

1. 2 regions
2. 3 regions
3. 4 regions
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« Reply #308 on: October 25, 2015, 06:23:53 pm »

[1] 2 regions
[2] 3 regions
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« Reply #309 on: October 26, 2015, 01:21:01 am »

Results coming in a few hours.
Sorry for the delay.
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« Reply #310 on: October 26, 2015, 07:53:17 am »

The 3-regions option won the vote.
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« Reply #311 on: October 26, 2015, 12:31:36 pm »
« Edited: October 26, 2015, 03:12:24 pm by Senator Truman »

In that case, I offer the following amendment:

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« Reply #312 on: October 26, 2015, 01:19:39 pm »

Delegates have 24 hours to object.

PS: it's Article IV. Regulations approved by the Senate say we should propose replacements to the current Constitution. So we should keep the current structure (Article IV = regions, Article II = Presidency/VP, to make 2 examples) as much as possible.
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« Reply #313 on: October 26, 2015, 01:23:28 pm »

I object considering the map endorsed by the convention of regional consolidation isn't this map.
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« Reply #314 on: October 26, 2015, 01:25:49 pm »
« Edited: October 27, 2015, 04:06:00 pm by Speaker Cris »

To make it easier for delegates, this is the Truman's proposal:



I'd like to invite you to not object to this first proposal because of the position of one or two states. We can change some things with other amendments.
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« Reply #315 on: October 26, 2015, 01:30:11 pm »

Fine you're right,
I don't object anymore.
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« Reply #316 on: October 26, 2015, 02:08:42 pm »

I object, I cannot support that map beacuse of regional instability at that time with both the Pacific and to some extent the Midwest. I will propose a map later.
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« Reply #317 on: October 26, 2015, 02:21:15 pm »

I object, I cannot support that map beacuse of regional instability at that time with both the Pacific and to some extent the Midwest. I will propose a map later.

     I take this to mean that you plan to propose a map that differs substantially from this one? In that case, I would like to see your proposal before voting on the amendment.
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« Reply #318 on: October 26, 2015, 02:22:21 pm »

I object.

I like the map, however, Jefferson was a slave owner, and I do not believe a region of Atlasia should be named after a slave owner.

I know he advocated for emancipation, however, the fact remains that he was a major slave owner throughout his lifetime.

This does not reflect well as a name for a region I believe.

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« Reply #319 on: October 26, 2015, 02:42:04 pm »

I object.

I like the map, however, Jefferson was a slave owner, and I do not believe a region of Atlasia should be named after a slave owner.

I know he advocated for emancipation, however, the fact remains that he was a major slave owner throughout his lifetime.

This does not reflect well as a name for a region I believe.


You should do like me. No objecting, and then after it is passed, propose an amendment changing the name of the region.
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« Reply #320 on: October 26, 2015, 02:47:56 pm »

Did anyone post the popularly selected one from a few months ago? I think that's our best choice going forward.
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« Reply #321 on: October 26, 2015, 03:11:42 pm »

I object considering the map endorsed by the convention of regional consolidation isn't this map.

Did anyone post the popularly selected one from a few months ago? I think that's our best choice going forward.

I will amend my amendment to put MN and IA in Franklin (the North), which is the only difference between my proposal and the CARCA map.

I like the map, however, Jefferson was a slave owner, and I do not believe a region of Atlasia should be named after a slave owner.
Slavery was hardly the only aspect of Jefferson's legacy; however, if the delegates would prefer a different name, perhaps Marshall (for Thurgood) or Keller (for Hellen) would work?
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« Reply #322 on: October 26, 2015, 03:27:21 pm »

If we insist on naming the regions after historical figures, why not pick Atlasian ones rather than ones from the fictional entity of "America"?  The first three presidents were Nym, Gustaf, and John F. Kennedy.  Demrepdan was the author of the First Constitution.  We also have one late Atlas Forum member, Cheesewhiz, who was active in Atlasia for some time.
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« Reply #323 on: October 26, 2015, 03:39:28 pm »

If we insist on naming the regions after historical figures, why not pick Atlasian ones rather than ones from the fictional entity of "America"?  The first three presidents were Nym, Gustaf, and John F. Kennedy.  Demrepdan was the author of the First Constitution.  We also have one late Atlas Forum member, Cheesewhiz, who was active in Atlasia for some time.

I like this idea FTR
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« Reply #324 on: October 26, 2015, 03:50:34 pm »

I'd prefer to use names from American history, which are more recognizable to new users and sound less made-up and awkward.
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