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« Reply #225 on: October 19, 2015, 01:45:50 PM »

     Aye. This is getting tiring, though.
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« Reply #226 on: October 19, 2015, 01:49:16 PM »

I will withdraw my amendment for the time being in order to allow a principle vote to occur. I hope that delegates respect the will of The People.
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« Reply #227 on: October 19, 2015, 01:58:37 PM »

I will withdraw my amendment for the time being in order to allow a principle vote to occur. I hope that delegates respect the will of The People.
There will not be a public election. Only ConCon delegates will vote on it.
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« Reply #228 on: October 19, 2015, 02:03:05 PM »

I will withdraw my amendment for the time being in order to allow a principle vote to occur. I hope that delegates respect the will of The People.
There will not be a public election. Only ConCon delegates will vote on it.
I am aware of how the rules work. I am referencing a recent poll done where a majority of respondents supported including a clause for secession.
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« Reply #229 on: October 19, 2015, 03:56:08 PM »

Can someone just answer me this: what country in this world with a valid, enforceable constitution has a provision allowing an entire region to seceed by popular vote? Or one that has a provision allowing secession at all?

I ask this because this idea goes against the basic purpose of a constitution. If a region can leave without ramifications whenever they disagree with something, I see no point in having a federal constitution at all. Nor a country for that matter.
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« Reply #230 on: October 20, 2015, 08:08:44 AM »

Can someone just answer me this: what country in this world with a valid, enforceable constitution has a provision allowing an entire region to seceed by popular vote? Or one that has a provision allowing secession at all?

A country that recognizes that power is fundementally derived from the rights of the people, and that if the vast majority of a certain group of people want a different government safeguarding those rights, the federal government has no legitimate justification to deny them that.

Obviously no country recognizes that. Doesn't mean they shouldn't.
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« Reply #231 on: October 20, 2015, 08:17:50 AM »

AYE: 9
NAY: 12
ABSTAIN: 0

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« Reply #232 on: October 20, 2015, 08:20:18 AM »

Now, it's time for a principle vote on secession. I'm including the Abstain option because it's included in every vote of every contest.

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« Reply #233 on: October 20, 2015, 08:27:17 AM »

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« Reply #234 on: October 20, 2015, 09:25:31 AM »

Nay
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« Reply #235 on: October 20, 2015, 09:54:31 AM »

Now, it's time for a principle vote on secession. I'm including the Abstain option because it's included in every vote of every contest.

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« Reply #236 on: October 20, 2015, 09:55:21 AM »

No.

Again: I don't get why in a game like Atlasia we should let regions seceed. It wouldn't make sense having other games in the game.

But if secession will be allowed, I'll support the Tmthforu's common-sense amendment.
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« Reply #237 on: October 20, 2015, 11:30:12 AM »

NO!
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« Reply #238 on: October 20, 2015, 12:58:34 PM »

NAY
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« Reply #239 on: October 20, 2015, 01:53:22 PM »

NO NO NO
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« Reply #240 on: October 20, 2015, 01:53:44 PM »

     Aye
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« Reply #241 on: October 20, 2015, 01:55:01 PM »

Yes, because I respect the will of the people and don't want a legal mess on our hands in the future.
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« Reply #242 on: October 20, 2015, 02:00:03 PM »

Yes

(As a side note I think votes like these are the best way to proceed on all of the questions, rather than just proposing lots of random amendments, and after this vote I move that we have a vote on the number of regions we want)
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« Reply #243 on: October 20, 2015, 02:41:14 PM »

Yes, but we must have it as a referendum or governmental procedure. Disrupting Atlasia with willy-nilly secessionist movements will destroy us.
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« Reply #244 on: October 20, 2015, 02:55:04 PM »

For the last time, No!
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« Reply #245 on: October 20, 2015, 03:06:47 PM »

Yes, because I respect the will of the people and don't want a legal mess on our hands in the future.

What on earth? It's not illegal for secession to be outlawed in a government constitution. It's the law of the land, you see.

Finally, no one is forcing a certain person to live in this country. They can leave. But Atlasia won't be a functioning country if we're just going to allow regions to leave whenever they want. A nation is all about sovereignty and enforcing its borders. Allowing secession entirely nullifies that.
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« Reply #246 on: October 20, 2015, 04:35:10 PM »

NAY!

(As a side note I think votes like these are the best way to proceed on all of the questions, rather than just proposing lots of random amendments, and after this vote I move that we have a vote on the number of regions we want)
I second this.
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« Reply #247 on: October 20, 2015, 04:40:52 PM »

NAY
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« Reply #248 on: October 20, 2015, 08:02:45 PM »

AYE
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« Reply #249 on: October 20, 2015, 09:37:08 PM »

Aye (respect human rights)
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