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Topic: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (DEBATE CLOSED) (Read 43337 times)
NeverAgain
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 11, 2015, 01:49:10 AM »
Abstain.
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MadmanMotley
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments
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October 11, 2015, 09:51:55 AM »
Quote from: Speaker Cris on October 10, 2015, 12:03:36 PM
A 48-hours vote on Classic Conservative's amendment is now open.
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Fmr. Pres. Duke
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 11, 2015, 01:22:14 PM »
Aye
What's the point in having a country if you're just letting regions leave whenever they get angry? Preserve the union.
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rpryor03
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 11, 2015, 02:01:58 PM »
Aye
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Unconditional Surrender Truman
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 11, 2015, 02:02:57 PM »
AYE.
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Oakvale
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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Reply #80 on:
October 11, 2015, 02:05:25 PM »
Nay on the fascist Classic Conservative amendment.
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Classic Conservative
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 11, 2015, 02:36:01 PM »
Quote from: oakvale on October 11, 2015, 02:05:25 PM
Nay on the fascist Classic Conservative amendment.
For the love of God I'm not a fascist, nor is anyone other Atlasia here, you might not like my views on some issue but disagreement doesn't make someone a fascist.
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Clark Kent
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 11, 2015, 04:04:39 PM »
AYE
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Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments
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October 11, 2015, 05:41:34 PM »
Quote from: Governor Leinad on October 09, 2015, 02:45:33 AM
Quote from: Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 09, 2015, 01:57:47 AM
In the South we have had two back to back elections for Governor, where the losing candidate has departed from the game.
That doesn't do it justice. We have had 3 straight region-wide single-winner elections where the loser has left: Flo > DeadPrez, PiT > Hagrid, and someone who's name I can't recall > DarTheBearNC. In fact, the last loser of a region-wide single-winner election in the South to not leave the game or go inactive immediately after is all the way back in February, a certain someone from North Carolina.
Never heard of him.
But yeah, for the loser of a race, they are out of office and for a newer person that deprives them of a chance ot make a name for themselves. We need to have enough offices to give them a chance to establish themselves, otherwise they will leave after their first or second defeat.
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Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 11, 2015, 05:43:52 PM »
Quote from: Classic Conservative on October 11, 2015, 02:36:01 PM
Quote from: oakvale on October 11, 2015, 02:05:25 PM
Nay on the fascist Classic Conservative amendment.
For the love of God I'm not a fascist, nor is anyone other Atlasia here, you might not like my views on some issue but disagreement doesn't make someone a fascist.
Someone has to fill TNF's vacuum, of calling Federalists fascists. I guess they selected a rotating committee.
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FL & OH Are Gone, Ya Dinguses
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 12, 2015, 03:00:21 AM »
I have a lot of thoughts on this, and tend to lean AYE, but in short, I think we need to hash a bit more out on this particular matter before voting on a very fundamental element such as this.
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Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 12, 2015, 04:25:38 AM »
AYE
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 12, 2015, 10:26:06 AM »
Nay
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tmthforu94
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 12, 2015, 10:35:31 AM »
It surprises how individuals who have claimed to advocate for regional rights for years are now voting AGAINST regional rights on one of the most important votes related to it we have seen.
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Senator Cris
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 12, 2015, 10:41:49 AM »
Quote from: tmthforu94 on October 12, 2015, 10:35:31 AM
It surprises how individuals who have claimed to advocate for regional rights for years are now voting AGAINST regional rights on one of the most important votes related to it we have seen.
Well, it's a bit different.
One count is regional rights (in this case the debate'd be more rights to regions vs. more rights to fed. govt) but another count is letting regions secede from Atlasia.
Duke explains it very well:
Quote from: Duke on October 11, 2015, 01:22:14 PM
Aye
What's the point in having a country if you're just letting regions leave whenever they get angry? Preserve the union.
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Classic Conservative
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 12, 2015, 10:51:45 AM »
I agree with Duke what's the point of having a country if everyone can just say I'm bored let's have blank region leave and form our own nation.
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tmthforu94
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 12, 2015, 10:55:49 AM »
Quote from: Classic Conservative on October 12, 2015, 10:51:45 AM
I agree with Duke what's the point of having a country if everyone can just say I'm bored let's have blank region leave and form our own nation.
If EVERYONE wants that, they should have the ability to do so - there should definitely be safeguards in place to ensure this can only happen if the vast majority choose to do so, but the REGIONS should have the RIGHT to do so.
I don't see this as a huge deal, because with three regions we are likely to have three pretty ideologically diverse regions, so the chances that enough people come together to secede are pretty low.
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Senator Cris
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 12, 2015, 12:12:53 PM »
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AYE: 10
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The amendment has been adopted.
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 12, 2015, 12:29:35 PM »
This is the current text:
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Now, let's go to NeverAgain's amendment:
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This was a counter amendment to Classic Conservative's one, so I'd suggest the sponsor, if he wants to keep it, to withdraw it and propose another amendment with the same content but with the current text strikethrough.
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tmthforu94
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 12, 2015, 01:21:17 PM »
I oppose NeverAgain's amendment. Should a region choose to secede, they should not have to go through the senate, much less the president, to do so.
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Oakvale
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 12, 2015, 01:36:04 PM »
I propose an amendment.
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NeverAgain
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 12, 2015, 01:38:27 PM »
Quote from: tmthforu94 on October 12, 2015, 01:21:17 PM
I oppose NeverAgain's amendment. Should a region choose to secede, they should not have to go through the senate, much less the president, to do so.
I had a national referendum in there. Would you agree with that?
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 12, 2015, 01:46:05 PM »
We can spend weeks arguing about this "right to secede" and whether it should exist based on real life precedents, but I have to ask, what is the point of seccession itself?
It certainly doesn't add a productive dynamic to the game, unless we call the increasingly ludicrous "lol, I'm rebelling against Nyman and creating my own country" stunts a useful part of the game. It doesn't make sense either in hypothetical terms to dismember the country and blow up the union, not to mention this "right to secede" is far from a usual norm across the world these days.
Why, then, are secession mechanisms (which seem awfully easy to overcome) something we need?
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Classic Conservative
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 12, 2015, 01:56:26 PM »
Quote from: oakvale on October 12, 2015, 01:36:04 PM
I propose an amendment.
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Classic Conservative
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 12, 2015, 01:58:32 PM »
I also object to NeverAgains Admendment we already have an Admendment that passed, we don't need to keep debating this forever and ever.
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