Number of Regions/Regional Governments (DEBATE CLOSED)

[Senator Cris]

Aye guess.

I second the motion for a simple "Should secession be legal?" ballot to settle this issue and see those of us who value democracy and human rights can best proceed.

Thirded. We should have a 'principle' vote - before moving into how to implement it.

This exactly - I would suggest doing this as soon as the current vote is over.

I'd like to remember that after this amendment there is a Clyde's amendment and a Tmthforu's amendment.
I planned to do that after the vote on these two amendments (if both won't pass) but if both Clyde and Tmthforu want to withdraw their amendments,  I'll hold this vote soon. But I can't force them to withdraw their amendments if they don't want.

[Senator Cris]

Aye guess.

I second the motion for a simple "Should secession be legal?" ballot to settle this issue and see those of us who value democracy and human rights can best proceed.

Thirded. We should have a 'principle' vote - before moving into how to implement it.

This exactly - I would suggest doing this as soon as the current vote is over.

I'd like to remember that after this amendment there is a Clyde's amendment and a Tmthforu's amendment.
I planned to do that after the vote on these two amendments (if both won't pass) but if both Clyde and Tmthforu want to withdraw their amendments,  I'll hold this vote soon. But I can't force them to withdraw their amendments if they don't want.

I'd prefer to hold the principle vote before voting on my amendment - if the principle vote goes against succession, then I'll withdraw it.

If Tmthforu is not willing to withdraw his amendment, the principle vote will be held after the votes on your two amendments.
If Tmthforu wants to withdraw his amendment, I'll hold a principle vote soon and then, if it's in favour of secession, we'll vote on your amendment.

[Senator Cris]

I will withdraw my amendment for the time being in order to allow a principle vote to occur. I hope that delegates respect the will of The People.

There will not be a public election. Only ConCon delegates will vote on it.

[Senator Cris]

AYE: 9
NAY: 12
ABSTAIN: 0

The amendment failed to pass.

[Senator Cris]

Now, it's time for a principle vote on secession. I'm including the Abstain option because it's included in every vote of every contest.

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[Senator Cris]

No.

Again: I don't get why in a game like Atlasia we should let regions seceed. It wouldn't make sense having other games in the game.

But if secession will be allowed, I'll support the Tmthforu's common-sense amendment.

[Senator Cris]

AYE - 12
NAY - 10
ABSTAIN - 0

AYEs won, so secession will be allowed in the new text drafted by the Constitutional Convention.

I propose that now we:

- hold a 24-hours debate on the number of regions;
- hold a 48-hours principle vote on the number of regions (0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, >5 the options)
- then discussing amendments about secession and number of regions (saying that we are allowing secession it's not enough, we should clarify some things. The same for regions: we should draft the new regions map).

[Senator Cris]

Thanks for the proposals.

Tomorrow, I'll open a principle vote on the number of regions. Then we'll debate about the regions map and about details of secession.

[Senator Cris]

Now, it's time for a STV (so preference order) principle vote that will last for the next 48 hours. Delegates, please vote!

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[Senator Cris]

1. 3 regions
2. 4 regions
3. 2 regions

[Senator Cris]

Results coming in a few hours.
Sorry for the delay.

[Senator Cris]

The 3-regions option won the vote.

[Senator Cris]

Delegates have 24 hours to object.

PS: it's Article IV. Regulations approved by the Senate say we should propose replacements to the current Constitution. So we should keep the current structure (Article IV = regions, Article II = Presidency/VP, to make 2 examples) as much as possible.

[Senator Cris]

To make it easier for delegates, this is the Truman's proposal:

I'd like to invite you to not object to this first proposal because of the position of one or two states. We can change some things with other amendments.

[Senator Cris]

Let's move with Truman's amendment.
A 48-hours vote is now open. Please vote.

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[Senator Cris]

Aye.

I agree with Windjammer. The only difference between this map and the CARCA's map is the position of Minnesota and Iowa. We can change that with another amendment.

[Senator Cris]

The Truman's amendment has been adopted.

[Senator Cris]

Now, it's time for Tmthforu's amendment. Delegates have 24 hours to object.

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[Senator Cris]

Nay

I assume you are objecting to it, right?

Motion to end the debates on the adopted map.

It's not provided by ConCon rules.

[Senator Cris]

A 48-hours on Truman's amendment is now open. Please vote.

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[Senator Cris]

I really don't understand why this CARCA map is untouchable for many.

[Senator Cris]

Aye

[Senator Cris]

The amendment passed.

[Senator Cris]

Now, it's time for Griffin's amendment. Delegates have 24 hours to object.

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Visual representation (Oceania not pictured)

[Senator Cris]

I object.

I don't think we need Canada provincies and a few Central American states. I'm fully supporting the 50 states map + DC and PR.
If we keep Canada provincies and add these new states, a lot of them will be inhabited. Having these provinces/states will not bring any benefit to Atlasia.