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Topic: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (DEBATE CLOSED) (Read 42571 times)
Associate Justice PiT
PiT (The Physicist)
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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Reply #225 on:
October 19, 2015, 01:45:50 PM »
Aye. This is getting tiring, though.
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tmthforu94
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 19, 2015, 01:49:16 PM »
I will withdraw my amendment for the time being in order to allow a principle vote to occur. I hope that delegates respect the will of The People.
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Senator Cris
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 19, 2015, 01:58:37 PM »
Quote from: Klassisch Konservativ on October 19, 2015, 01:49:16 PM
I will withdraw my amendment for the time being in order to allow a principle vote to occur. I hope that delegates respect the will of The People.
There will not be a public election. Only ConCon delegates will vote on it.
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tmthforu94
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 19, 2015, 02:03:05 PM »
Quote from: Speaker Cris on October 19, 2015, 01:58:37 PM
Quote from: Klassisch Konservativ on October 19, 2015, 01:49:16 PM
I will withdraw my amendment for the time being in order to allow a principle vote to occur. I hope that delegates respect the will of The People.
There will not be a public election. Only ConCon delegates will vote on it.
I am aware of how the rules work. I am referencing a recent poll done where a majority of respondents supported including a clause for secession.
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Fmr. Pres. Duke
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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Reply #229 on:
October 19, 2015, 03:56:08 PM »
Can someone just answer me this: what country in this world with a valid, enforceable constitution has a provision allowing an entire region to seceed by popular vote? Or one that has a provision allowing secession at all?
I ask this because this idea goes against the basic purpose of a constitution. If a region can leave without ramifications whenever they disagree with something, I see no point in having a federal constitution at all. Nor a country for that matter.
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Leinad
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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Reply #230 on:
October 20, 2015, 08:08:44 AM »
Quote from: Duke on October 19, 2015, 03:56:08 PM
Can someone just answer me this: what country in this world with a valid, enforceable constitution has a provision allowing an entire region to seceed by popular vote? Or one that has a provision allowing secession at all?
A country that recognizes that power is fundementally derived from the rights of the people, and that if the vast majority of a certain group of people want a different government safeguarding those rights, the federal government has no legitimate justification to deny them that.
Obviously no country recognizes that. Doesn't mean they shouldn't.
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Senator Cris
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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Reply #231 on:
October 20, 2015, 08:17:50 AM »
AYE: 9
NAY: 12
ABSTAIN: 0
The amendment failed to pass.
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Senator Cris
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 20, 2015, 08:20:18 AM »
Now, it's time for a principle vote on secession. I'm including the Abstain option because it's included in every vote of every contest.
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 20, 2015, 08:27:17 AM »
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Fmr. Pres. Duke
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 20, 2015, 09:25:31 AM »
Nay
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Clyde1998
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 20, 2015, 09:54:31 AM »
Quote from: Speaker Cris on October 20, 2015, 08:20:18 AM
Now, it's time for a principle vote on secession. I'm including the Abstain option because it's included in every vote of every contest.
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Senator Cris
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 20, 2015, 09:55:21 AM »
No.
Again: I don't get why in a game like Atlasia we should let regions seceed. It wouldn't make sense having other games in the game.
But if secession will be allowed, I'll support the Tmthforu's common-sense amendment.
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Lincoln Republican
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 20, 2015, 11:30:12 AM »
NO!
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Clark Kent
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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Reply #238 on:
October 20, 2015, 12:58:34 PM »
NAY
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Classic Conservative
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 20, 2015, 01:53:22 PM »
NO NO NO
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Associate Justice PiT
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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Reply #240 on:
October 20, 2015, 01:53:44 PM »
Aye
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tmthforu94
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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Reply #241 on:
October 20, 2015, 01:55:01 PM »
Yes
, because I respect the will of the people and don't want a legal mess on our hands in the future.
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bore
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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Reply #242 on:
October 20, 2015, 02:00:03 PM »
Yes
(As a side note I think votes like these are the best way to proceed on all of the questions, rather than just proposing lots of random amendments, and after this vote I move that we have a vote on the number of regions we want)
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NeverAgain
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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Reply #243 on:
October 20, 2015, 02:41:14 PM »
Yes, but we must have it as a referendum or governmental procedure. Disrupting Atlasia with willy-nilly secessionist movements will destroy us.
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Lumine
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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Reply #244 on:
October 20, 2015, 02:55:04 PM »
For the last time, No!
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Fmr. Pres. Duke
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT)
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October 20, 2015, 03:06:47 PM »
Quote from: Klassisch Konservativ on October 20, 2015, 01:55:01 PM
Yes
, because I respect the will of the people and don't want a legal mess on our hands in the future.
What on earth? It's not illegal for secession to be outlawed in a government constitution. It's the law of the land, you see.
Finally, no one is forcing a certain person to live in this country. They can leave. But Atlasia won't be a functioning country if we're just going to allow regions to leave whenever they want. A nation is all about sovereignty and enforcing its borders. Allowing secession entirely nullifies that.
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Unconditional Surrender Truman
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON PRINCIPLE VOTE)
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Reply #246 on:
October 20, 2015, 04:35:10 PM »
NAY!
Quote from: President bore on October 20, 2015, 02:00:03 PM
(As a side note I think votes like these are the best way to proceed on all of the questions, rather than just proposing lots of random amendments, and after this vote I move that we have a vote on the number of regions we want)
I second this.
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rpryor03
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON PRINCIPLE VOTE)
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Reply #247 on:
October 20, 2015, 04:40:52 PM »
NAY
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MadmanMotley
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON PRINCIPLE VOTE)
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Reply #248 on:
October 20, 2015, 08:02:45 PM »
AYE
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Oakvale
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Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON PRINCIPLE VOTE)
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Reply #249 on:
October 20, 2015, 09:37:08 PM »
Aye (respect human rights)
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