Is the GOP still haunted by the 1992 Convention?

[Thomas D]

Before the 1992 Republican Convention in Houston the GOP had won 5 of the previous 6 Presidential elections.  At the convention Pat Buchanan made his now famous speech basically declaring Holy war and the rest of the Religious right seemed to do all they could to scare moderate Americans away from the party.

Since then the Democrats have won the popular vote in 5 of 6 elections.  These are the states the Dems. have won 6 out of 6, totaling 242 Electoral votes. Just 28 short of 270.

Women, once a swing vote, now vote mostly Democratic. Young people, upset that the GOP hates their gay friends, vote overwhelmingly Democratic. And Religious minorities, and those of no religion, are also very unlikely to vote for the GOP.

Even people who only 'Occasionally' go to Church backed Obama in 2012 55-43.

So is this my secular queer bias? Or is there something here?

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Just one Florida short.

[bobloblaw]

Before the 1992 Republican Convention in Houston the GOP had won 5 of the previous 6 Presidential elections.  At the convention Pat Buchanan made his now famous speech basically declaring Holy war and the rest of the Religious right seemed to do all they could to scare moderate Americans away from the party.

Since then the Democrats have won the popular vote in 5 of 6 elections.  These are the states the Dems. have won 6 out of 6, totaling 242 Electoral votes. Just 28 short of 270.

Women, once a swing vote, now vote mostly Democratic. Young people, upset that the GOP hates their gay friends, vote overwhelmingly Democratic. And Religious minorities, and those of no religion, are also very unlikely to vote for the GOP.

Even people who only 'Occasionally' go to Church backed Obama in 2012 55-43.

So is this my secular queer bias? Or is there something here?

yes, your bias is queer.

1988 unemployment 5.4%. 1992 unemployment 7.7%. That is why the GOP lost in 1992. Not the convention.

And since that time, the unemployment rate has favored the Dems in 1996, 2008, 2012 and probably 2016. Gore the idiot blew it with a 3.8% unemployment rate. he should have won by 5 at least.

The "blue wall" is a myth. In Nov 2016, unemployment could be as low as 4%. We'll see how well Clinton does in 2020 with unemployment still above 6-7% after the 2018 recession.

[sg0508]

That convention was the end of any moderate rule by the GOP, although with what has happened socially in this nation the past few years, there is a chance for moderates to gain some traction again.

[hopper]

Before the 1992 Republican Convention in Houston the GOP had won 5 of the previous 6 Presidential elections.  At the convention Pat Buchanan made his now famous speech basically declaring Holy war and the rest of the Religious right seemed to do all they could to scare moderate Americans away from the party.

Since then the Democrats have won the popular vote in 5 of 6 elections.  These are the states the Dems. have won 6 out of 6, totaling 242 Electoral votes. Just 28 short of 270.

Women, once a swing vote, now vote mostly Democratic. Young people, upset that the GOP hates their gay friends, vote overwhelmingly Democratic. And Religious minorities, and those of no religion, are also very unlikely to vote for the GOP.

Even people who only 'Occasionally' go to Church backed Obama in 2012 55-43.

So is this my secular queer bias? Or is there something here?

Lets see-women once a swing vote, now vote mostly democratic-The GOP loses the women vote because Hispanic and Black Women vote Dem overwhelmingly.

Young People, upset the GOP hates their gay friends  vote Dem-You mean the GOP is for not being for gay marriage and yes young people can't understand why the GOP takes that position.

Minorities regardless of affiliated with or without a religion vote Dem-Minorities have always voted Dem and its been that way for decades except for Asians who used to vote GOP and now have voted Dem in the last 4 Presidential Elections.

[ElectionsGuy]

No. The patterns aren't much different, but consider this: states like Wyoming, Montana, and Arizona (less religious than average) still vote pretty Republican. States that are moderately religious like Pennsylvania and Minnesota still vote Democratic. Certainly that kind of rhetoric will continue to alienate folks on the west coast and in New England, but it won't be THE reason they deny the Republican Party their electors.

[hopper]

Before the 1992 Republican Convention in Houston the GOP had won 5 of the previous 6 Presidential elections.  At the convention Pat Buchanan made his now famous speech basically declaring Holy war and the rest of the Religious right seemed to do all they could to scare moderate Americans away from the party.

Since then the Democrats have won the popular vote in 5 of 6 elections.  These are the states the Dems. have won 6 out of 6, totaling 242 Electoral votes. Just 28 short of 270.

Women, once a swing vote, now vote mostly Democratic. Young people, upset that the GOP hates their gay friends, vote overwhelmingly Democratic. And Religious minorities, and those of no religion, are also very unlikely to vote for the GOP.

Even people who only 'Occasionally' go to Church backed Obama in 2012 55-43.

So is this my secular queer bias? Or is there something here?

yes, your bias is queer.

1988 unemployment 5.4%. 1992 unemployment 7.7%. That is why the GOP lost in 1992. Not the convention.

And since that time, the unemployment rate has favored the Dems in 1996, 2008, 2012 and probably 2016. Gore the idiot blew it with a 3.8% unemployment rate. he should have won by 5 at least.

The "blue wall" is a myth. In Nov 2016, unemployment could be as low as 4%. We'll see how well Clinton does in 2020 with unemployment still above 6-7% after the 2018 recession.

Well Reagan in a blowout in 1984 with 8% unemployment, and Obama won re-election in 2012 with 7% unemployment. True the unemployment rate favored the Dems in 1996. What was the un-employment rate in 2008? 6% on election day?

[hopper]

No. The patterns aren't much different, but consider this: states like Wyoming, Montana, and Arizona (less religious than average) still vote pretty Republican. States that are moderately religious like Pennsylvania and Minnesota still vote Democratic. Certainly that kind of rhetoric will continue to alienate folks on the west coast and in New England, but it won't be THE reason they deny the Republican Party their electors.

That's mainly because of voters that live in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Oakland, Portland, and Seattle. Yeah New England you are right except for New Hampshire.

[hopper]

2008 the Republicans had no shot of winning because of the housing crisis and Obama was such a great candidate. 2012 the Republicans could have won but on the question Does(Romney) care about people like me? He lost on that question 81-11% and that basically was the election right there. Romney won on 3 or 4 questions but on the caring question that was basically Obama's margin of victory right there.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I would add Va, NV & NH and you will get 270. And Dems can certainly win CO or OH or FL.

But Dems are actually 9 votes short at 263 if you put NV, NM and as red, too.

But I like Dems chances in Va.

The GOP is once again the underdog.

[Intell]

They've improved, the democrats however are haunted after 92', with losing the house and state legislatures and governorships.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

They've improved, the democrats however are haunted after 92', with losing the house and state legislatures and governorships.

They hsve lost the 272 map & OH, Va and Latino state of FL. The 2012 map still is in play in 2016.

But the GOP own the House and Dems are at parity in Senate. We will see as far as govs in 2018 when the govs are term limited.

[RINO Tom]

The "Religious Right" (or its Puritan ancestors) has always been a pain in the a*s and an asset at the same time.  They're simply declining each year as a share of the population.

The myth is that they haven't literally ALWAYS (yes, I mean always) been a significant voice in the GOP.

[bobloblaw]

Before the 1992 Republican Convention in Houston the GOP had won 5 of the previous 6 Presidential elections.  At the convention Pat Buchanan made his now famous speech basically declaring Holy war and the rest of the Religious right seemed to do all they could to scare moderate Americans away from the party.

Since then the Democrats have won the popular vote in 5 of 6 elections.  These are the states the Dems. have won 6 out of 6, totaling 242 Electoral votes. Just 28 short of 270.

Women, once a swing vote, now vote mostly Democratic. Young people, upset that the GOP hates their gay friends, vote overwhelmingly Democratic. And Religious minorities, and those of no religion, are also very unlikely to vote for the GOP.

Even people who only 'Occasionally' go to Church backed Obama in 2012 55-43.

So is this my secular queer bias? Or is there something here?

yes, your bias is queer.

1988 unemployment 5.4%. 1992 unemployment 7.7%. That is why the GOP lost in 1992. Not the convention.

And since that time, the unemployment rate has favored the Dems in 1996, 2008, 2012 and probably 2016. Gore the idiot blew it with a 3.8% unemployment rate. he should have won by 5 at least.

The "blue wall" is a myth. In Nov 2016, unemployment could be as low as 4%. We'll see how well Clinton does in 2020 with unemployment still above 6-7% after the 2018 recession.

Well Reagan in a blowout in 1984 with 8% unemployment, and Obama won re-election in 2012 with 7% unemployment. True the unemployment rate favored the Dems in 1996. What was the un-employment rate in 2008? 6% on election day?

In 1996, it was 5.4% or so.

In 1984, unemployment was 3.5% lower than in 1982. In 2012, unemployment was about 2.5% lower than in 2010.

[tinman64]

This is the truth: I was a registered Republican from 1984 to 1992, and considered myself a "Rockefeller Republican." I aligned myself with the eastern industrialist/internationalist wing of the GOP in the Willkie/Dewey/Stassen/Eisenhower/Rockefeller mold.

I lukewarmly supported Bush Sr. in  the CA primary. I was disgusted by much of the tenor and dialogue in the GOP convention that year. I re-registered as an Independent (aka "Decline to State" in CA) and haven't voted for a Republican for president since.

So I, at least, am still haunted by the 1992 convention.

[Horsemask]

This is the truth: I was a registered Republican from 1984 to 1992, and considered myself a "Rockefeller Republican." I aligned myself with the eastern industrialist/internationalist wing of the GOP in the Willkie/Dewey/Stassen/Eisenhower/Rockefeller mold.

I lukewarmly supported Bush Sr. in  the CA primary. I was disgusted by much of the tenor and dialogue in the GOP convention that year. I re-registered as an Independent (aka "Decline to State" in CA) and haven't voted for a Republican for president since.

So I, at least, am still haunted by the 1992 convention.

Amen. I undoubtedly would've been among that group

[Rockefeller GOP]

This is the truth: I was a registered Republican from 1984 to 1992, and considered myself a "Rockefeller Republican." I aligned myself with the eastern industrialist/internationalist wing of the GOP in the Willkie/Dewey/Stassen/Eisenhower/Rockefeller mold.

I lukewarmly supported Bush Sr. in  the CA primary. I was disgusted by much of the tenor and dialogue in the GOP convention that year. I re-registered as an Independent (aka "Decline to State" in CA) and haven't voted for a Republican for president since.

So I, at least, am still haunted by the 1992 convention.

Amen. I undoubtedly would've been among that group

Same.  But I think just about the worst response/least helpful course of action is to re-register.  You just let the Pat Buchanans win, and it's not exactly like the Democrats are offering that "viewset" a perfect landscape either.

[bobloblaw]

This is the truth: I was a registered Republican from 1984 to 1992, and considered myself a "Rockefeller Republican." I aligned myself with the eastern industrialist/internationalist wing of the GOP in the Willkie/Dewey/Stassen/Eisenhower/Rockefeller mold.

I lukewarmly supported Bush Sr. in  the CA primary. I was disgusted by much of the tenor and dialogue in the GOP convention that year. I re-registered as an Independent (aka "Decline to State" in CA) and haven't voted for a Republican for president since.

So I, at least, am still haunted by the 1992 convention.

Amen. I undoubtedly would've been among that group

Other than Ike, youve aligned yourself with LOSERS

[OSR stands with Israel]

This is the truth: I was a registered Republican from 1984 to 1992, and considered myself a "Rockefeller Republican." I aligned myself with the eastern industrialist/internationalist wing of the GOP in the Willkie/Dewey/Stassen/Eisenhower/Rockefeller mold.

I lukewarmly supported Bush Sr. in  the CA primary. I was disgusted by much of the tenor and dialogue in the GOP convention that year. I re-registered as an Independent (aka "Decline to State" in CA) and haven't voted for a Republican for president since.

So I, at least, am still haunted by the 1992 convention.

Amen. I undoubtedly would've been among that group

Other than Ike, youve aligned yourself with LOSERS

Reagan was a moderate conservative

[Republican Michigander]

It's the economy stupid.

Bush lost in 1992 because he was out of touch regarding the economy.

[sg0508]

It's the economy stupid.

Bush lost in 1992 because he was out of touch regarding the economy.

That is true, but many point to that Culture Wars speech as the official time of the Christian Right's hijacking of the GOP and the moment that moderates started voting Democratic, especially in the suburbs, where Republicans have lost serious support since '90.

[Mr. Reactionary]

How many voters today actually know/ are motivated by Pat Buchanan?

[bobloblaw]

This is the truth: I was a registered Republican from 1984 to 1992, and considered myself a "Rockefeller Republican." I aligned myself with the eastern industrialist/internationalist wing of the GOP in the Willkie/Dewey/Stassen/Eisenhower/Rockefeller mold.

I lukewarmly supported Bush Sr. in  the CA primary. I was disgusted by much of the tenor and dialogue in the GOP convention that year. I re-registered as an Independent (aka "Decline to State" in CA) and haven't voted for a Republican for president since.

So I, at least, am still haunted by the 1992 convention.

Amen. I undoubtedly would've been among that group

Other than Ike, youve aligned yourself with LOSERS

Reagan was a moderate conservative

He was a conservative and the most conservative since Goldwater in 64

[Adam Griffin]

Women, once a swing vote, now vote mostly Democratic.

Lets see-women once a swing vote, now vote mostly democratic-The GOP loses the women vote because Hispanic and Black Women vote Dem overwhelmingly.

Right, "because those weirdo brown and black things with vaginas aren't really women! Among real women, the GOP still wins!".

[OSR stands with Israel]

This is the truth: I was a registered Republican from 1984 to 1992, and considered myself a "Rockefeller Republican." I aligned myself with the eastern industrialist/internationalist wing of the GOP in the Willkie/Dewey/Stassen/Eisenhower/Rockefeller mold.

I lukewarmly supported Bush Sr. in  the CA primary. I was disgusted by much of the tenor and dialogue in the GOP convention that year. I re-registered as an Independent (aka "Decline to State" in CA) and haven't voted for a Republican for president since.

So I, at least, am still haunted by the 1992 convention.

Amen. I undoubtedly would've been among that group

Other than Ike, youve aligned yourself with LOSERS

Reagan was a moderate conservative

He was a conservative and the most conservative since Goldwater in 64

George W Bush was certainly more conservative