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« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2015, 02:51:04 AM »

No, Reagan wanted to end the Cold War, not restart it.

Pretty sure it was Reagan who re-escalated the Cold War after the '70s detente. Remember Star Wars?

The Cold War actually restarted in 1979 after The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, while Jimmy Carter was President. It was Carter who, rightly or wrongly, took the U.S athletes out of the 1980 Summer Games in Moscow (or whatever Russian city it was in) and it was Carter who proposed that U.S farmers couldn't sell wheat to the Soviet Union.

Reagan amped up the spending on the military, likely by far too much, but the Cold War 'heated' up before he became President.
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« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2015, 03:27:45 AM »

Nobody ever will be the new Reagan, it is simply impossible.
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« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2015, 04:05:39 AM »

Nobody ever will be the new Reagan, it is simply impossible.

Reagan the revisionist history myth (both on the left, but mainly on the right) and Reagan the reality are two completely different things.
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« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2015, 05:28:53 AM »

Maybe.

She does display exemplary communication skills and charisma (as well as the possibility of being the figurehead of a new 'faction' of the GOP), but then again, so do a lot of other people.

I kind of agree with this.  She got a few good zings in against Trump, but she can only effectively go to most of those wells just once.

Over time, she is going to remind a certain number of voters (particularly some male voters) of the new breed of "power suit" wearing female exec who rose to the top, then handed them their pink slip or announced that the company was moving its production operations to China or India, and they had to train their replacements to get their pay.  An unfair stereotype, I grant you, but if THIS is all she has, she won't wear well.  She's an outsider, but she's NOT a populist; she's an "establishment Republican" who hasn't been elected to anything yet.  She gets some mileage out of being the only female in a party that suffers from a "gender gap", but that, too, has limited value; if Morry Taylor did what she did, he wouldn't be compared to Reagan as she is.

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« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2015, 06:24:09 AM »

Maybe.
Over time, she is going to remind a certain number of voters (particularly some male voters) of the new breed of "power suit" wearing female exec who rose to the top, then handed them their pink slip or announced that the company was moving its production operations to China or India, and they had to train their replacements to get their pay.  An unfair stereotype, I grant you, but if THIS is all she has, she won't wear well.  She's an outsider, but she's NOT a populist; she's an "establishment Republican" who hasn't been elected to anything yet.  She gets some mileage out of being the only female in a party that suffers from a "gender gap", but that, too, has limited value; if Morry Taylor did what she did, he wouldn't be compared to Reagan as she is.

Try and put that bad stuff on a bumper sticker or a 30 second add😉 unfortunately most of the unwashed masses are not endowed with a grasp of the market place. She only did what many of us would do in a similar circumstances. Scale back, make cuts and find ways to reduce red ink. It's that or going into the ditch.
If it's not relative to our own lives, we can all pontificate and make snap judgements.  Are we looking for a President who can project decisive leadership skills or a nice fuzzy Mr. Rogers?
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« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2015, 08:39:10 PM »

Maybe.

She does display exemplary communication skills and charisma (as well as the possibility of being the figurehead of a new 'faction' of the GOP), but then again, so do a lot of other people.

I kind of agree with this.  She got a few good zings in against Trump, but she can only effectively go to most of those wells just once.

Over time, she is going to remind a certain number of voters (particularly some male voters) of the new breed of "power suit" wearing female exec who rose to the top, then handed them their pink slip or announced that the company was moving its production operations to China or India, and they had to train their replacements to get their pay.  An unfair stereotype, I grant you, but if THIS is all she has, she won't wear well.  She's an outsider, but she's NOT a populist; she's an "establishment Republican" who hasn't been elected to anything yet.  She gets some mileage out of being the only female in a party that suffers from a "gender gap", but that, too, has limited value; if Morry Taylor did what she did, he wouldn't be compared to Reagan as she is.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/17/this-is-the-ad-that-might-kill-carly-fiorinas-campaign/

Carly Fiorina.  Just another corporate . . . Oh, oh, can't be called a sexist in telling the truth.
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« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2015, 08:44:51 PM »

Reagan was known for his extreme optimism about America in his speeches.

Fiorina makes me think that the Armageddon is upon us.
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« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2015, 05:23:25 AM »

Come to think of it, if Carly makes it and wins the whole enchilada, and if her presidency makes into a second term, then the Reagan comparison analogy would be ideal and preferable. She will be the first woman President and that would be pretty awesome, if you ask me.
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« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2015, 07:12:29 AM »

Come to think of it, if Carly makes it and wins the whole enchilada, and if her presidency makes into a second term, then the Reagan comparison analogy would be ideal and preferable. She will be the first woman President and that would be pretty awesome, if you ask me.

I would prefer a first woman President to have better judgment in foreign affairs than she promises to have.  If she's just saying what she needs to be elected in that score, I would prefer the first woman President to have more integrity and openness than, say, Hillary Clinton.  She's just another gamer, albeit a skillful player.  But she's not an outsider; let's get that one out of the way quick
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« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2015, 01:40:04 PM »

She has been very impressive, and she's far from a longshot to actually win the nomination.  However, I don't know if she's quite to Reagan's level.  People still associate Reagan somewhat with the 1960s and 1970s, really.  His "Time For Choosing" speech and challenge to Ford in 1976 tend to carry more weight than the fact that he was able to completely unite the GOP - moderates and conservatives, New Englanders and Westerners, the business community and social conservatives - and that's why he was so revolutionary in a sense.  He was able to unite his party while also remaining strong for the general election in a way that no one besides FDR and Eisenhower were able to do before, and no one (with the POSSIBLE exception of Clinton) has been able to do since.
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« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2015, 02:24:45 PM »

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