Hillary vs. Roy Moore

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I have to say Hillary/Hillary.

Make a map.

[TeePee4Prez]

Call me crazy, but:

[Keystone Phil]

Call me crazy, but:

Roy Moore could keep NC and ND/SD would not be tossups. Also, MT does not go for Hillary.

[Colin]

Call me crazy, but:

Roy Moore could keep NC and ND/SD would not be tossups. Also, MT does not go for Hillary.

NC would be a tossup, ND would probably be around the same result as Virginia, while SD would probably be a tossup although it could easily go over 52% for Moore depending on certain things. Phil I think you're stretching it alittle with Montana. If Moore was the candidate Montana would either be a tossup or in the Democratic column.

[Brandon H]

If we are talking 2008, it will be similar to 2004 withe the same swing states in play. You have a Northern Liberal vs. a Southern Conservative. Moore is more conservative than Bush, while Hillary is probably about the same as Kerry though is trying to appear more moderate. Unless someone a third party runs, I don't see Montana and the Dakotas going Democrat. There will be some people who will say anyone but Hillary since she is Hillary and there will be some who will say anyone but Moore since he would be viewed as a Religious Fanatic.

The real question is, who would Bush support? He doesn't like Moore. (Though Moore could have handed Kerry the 2004 election, but didn't.)

[Keystone Phil]

Call me crazy, but:

Roy Moore could keep NC and ND/SD would not be tossups. Also, MT does not go for Hillary.

NC would be a tossup, ND would probably be around the same result as Virginia, while SD would probably be a tossup although it could easily go over 52% for Moore depending on certain things. Phil I think you're stretching it alittle with Montana. If Moore was the candidate Montana would either be a tossup or in the Democratic column.

NC would not be a tossup. It would be closer than 2004 but still a Moore win. ND/SD stay wouldn't swing Dem. I still see no reason for MT to go Dem. There would be a low turnout and higher than usual third party vote but no win for Hillary.

[True Democrat]

Call me crazy, but:

Roy Moore could keep NC and ND/SD would not be tossups. Also, MT does not go for Hillary.

NC would be a tossup, ND would probably be around the same result as Virginia, while SD would probably be a tossup although it could easily go over 52% for Moore depending on certain things. Phil I think you're stretching it alittle with Montana. If Moore was the candidate Montana would either be a tossup or in the Democratic column.

NC would not be a tossup. It would be closer than 2004 but still a Moore win. ND/SD stay wouldn't swing Dem. I still see no reason for MT to go Dem. There would be a low turnout and higher than usual third party vote but no win for Hillary.

Do you honestly believe that Hillary could not beat Roy Moore?

[opebo]

Hillary  -  325
Moore  -  213

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If there's no 3rd party candidate, Hillary might actually win Utah.

[Keystone Phil]

Call me crazy, but:

Roy Moore could keep NC and ND/SD would not be tossups. Also, MT does not go for Hillary.

NC would be a tossup, ND would probably be around the same result as Virginia, while SD would probably be a tossup although it could easily go over 52% for Moore depending on certain things. Phil I think you're stretching it alittle with Montana. If Moore was the candidate Montana would either be a tossup or in the Democratic column.

NC would not be a tossup. It would be closer than 2004 but still a Moore win. ND/SD stay wouldn't swing Dem. I still see no reason for MT to go Dem. There would be a low turnout and higher than usual third party vote but no win for Hillary.

Do you honestly believe that Hillary could not beat Roy Moore?

Show me where I said that. I'll retract that statement. Your problem: I never said that.

[MaC]

who IS this Roy Moore I keep hearing about?

[True Democrat]

NC would not be a tossup. It would be closer than 2004 but still a Moore win. ND/SD stay wouldn't swing Dem. I still see no reason for MT to go Dem. There would be a low turnout and higher than usual third party vote but no win for Hillary.

Do you honestly believe that Hillary could not beat Roy Moore?

Show me where I said that. I'll retract that statement. Your problem: I never said that.

I apoigize.  I misread your statements.  I thought you meant that Hillary could not win, but you were actually talking about Montana, I think.

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who IS this Roy Moore I keep hearing about?

Wingnut who ignored court rulings to take away the huge 10 commandment monument from the Alabama Supreme Court.

[Keystone Phil]

Hillary  -  325
Moore  -  213

A realistic map from opebo. Wow. I'd probably give Hillary Missouri and Arizona on top of that.

[True Democrat]

[Colin]

This is my shot at it:



I am rather unsure about Arkansas and Montana they could go either way.

[Cashcow]

Clinton would crush him.

[bgwah]

Hillary landslide.

I really don't see how any person who doesn't even go to church could vote for Roy Moore, even a Republican. Washington and probably Oregon, having more than 2/3 of their populations free of the church, would overwhelmingly vote Hillary if they were no 3rd party options... They would both crack 60% democrat, maybe even 70%...

[Hitchabrut]

Moore

[DanielX]

Race goes to the House, where Gary Johnson (Libertarian) narrowly receives the Presidency.

[Alcon]

Hillary landslide.

I really don't see how any person who doesn't even go to church could vote for Roy Moore, even a Republican. Washington and probably Oregon, having more than 2/3 of their populations free of the church, would overwhelmingly vote Hillary if they were no 3rd party options... They would both crack 60% democrat, maybe even 70%...

2/3? I'm pretty sure that the census reports 18% or so as non-religious in both, which Nevada roughly ties. The majority of the population still goes to church.

In Washington, the CNN exit poll says 34% attend weekly, 38% occasionally, and 25% never. An additional 3% apparently cannot speak English.

For whatever reason, they did not poll this in Oregon.

I'd say 60%+ in Washington, and near-60% in Oregon.

[bgwah]

Hillary landslide.

I really don't see how any person who doesn't even go to church could vote for Roy Moore, even a Republican. Washington and probably Oregon, having more than 2/3 of their populations free of the church, would overwhelmingly vote Hillary if they were no 3rd party options... They would both crack 60% democrat, maybe even 70%...

2/3? I'm pretty sure that the census reports 18% or so as non-religious in both, which Nevada roughly ties. The majority of the population still goes to church.

In Washington, the CNN exit poll says 34% attend weekly, 38% occasionally, and 25% never. An additional 3% apparently cannot speak English.

For whatever reason, they did not poll this in Oregon.

I'd say 60%+ in Washington, and near-60% in Oregon.

The census cannot ask questions related to religion--it is illegal.

The majority of people do not regularly attend church. Yeah sure, everyone once and while some go for a wedding or maybe for Easter, but religion plays little role in these peoples live. Only abuot 1/3 of the population actually goes to church on a regular basis.

Some people consider themselves religious even though they never go to church. For example, most French are "Catholic," even  though few actually go to church.

People who rarely or never go to church and those who simply say their "Christian" becuase they believe in God or used to go to church when their parents forced them too are far from the religious right. You would have to go church and be a member of the religious right to even seriously consider voting for a madman like Moore. Considering Hillary's bad rep its hard to imagine more Libertarian Republicans voting for her, but against Moore!? It's very possible. And of course many church-attending people vote Democrat anyway.

My map, hillary wins 374-164

[True Democrat]

Hillary landslide.

I really don't see how any person who doesn't even go to church could vote for Roy Moore, even a Republican. Washington and probably Oregon, having more than 2/3 of their populations free of the church, would overwhelmingly vote Hillary if they were no 3rd party options... They would both crack 60% democrat, maybe even 70%...

2/3? I'm pretty sure that the census reports 18% or so as non-religious in both, which Nevada roughly ties. The majority of the population still goes to church.

In Washington, the CNN exit poll says 34% attend weekly, 38% occasionally, and 25% never. An additional 3% apparently cannot speak English.

For whatever reason, they did not poll this in Oregon.

I'd say 60%+ in Washington, and near-60% in Oregon.

The census cannot ask questions related to religion--it is illegal.

The majority of people do not regularly attend church. Yeah sure, everyone once and while some go for a wedding or maybe for Easter, but religion plays little role in these peoples live. Only abuot 1/3 of the population actually goes to church on a regular basis.

Some people consider themselves religious even though they never go to church. For example, most French are "Catholic," even  though few actually go to church.

People who rarely or never go to church and those who simply say their "Christian" becuase they believe in God or used to go to church when their parents forced them too are far from the religious right. You would have to go church and be a member of the religious right to even seriously consider voting for a madman like Moore. Considering Hillary's bad rep its hard to imagine more Libertarian Republicans voting for her, but against Moore!? It's very possible. And of course many church-attending people vote Democrat anyway.

My map, hillary wins 374-164

Just no.  There is no way that Hillary would win Wyoming at all, let alone winning it while losing Arkansas and North Carolina

[Keystone Phil]

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[Erc]

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428-110.

Even in today's climate, Moore would be horribly crushed (heck, I'd even consider voting for Hillary in a scenario like this).