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Abraham Reagan
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« on: August 19, 2015, 06:23:48 PM »

I listen to Trump speak and his message is not really a conservative one. He defends single-payer healthcare, doesn't necessarily want to defund planned parenthood, wants America to back down from the world stage, is fine with affirmative action, and blames our economic woes more on other countries and companies than our oppressive and backwards tax policies. And yet, when I listen to him, I can see why very conservative people still like him. He's confident and bold and aggressive. Is Trump the first spark in a new movement where it's less about what the candidate believes and more about how they act?
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2015, 06:31:09 PM »

Style-over-substance candidates have been a thing since William "I'm a war hero and Martin van Ruin sucks" Henry Harrison ran in 1840. Successful, too.
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2015, 06:33:38 PM »

That's how American Politics usually is.

It's just much, much more the case with Trump.
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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2015, 06:35:07 PM »

Trump is against single payer, supports defunding Planned Parenthood, supports boots on the ground against ISIS, and blames economic woes on inept US politicians. Can you explain why Jeb Bush voters like lying about Trump's record so frequently?
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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2015, 07:08:21 PM »

Trump is against single payer, supports defunding Planned Parenthood, supports boots on the ground against ISIS, and blames economic woes on inept US politicians. Can you explain why Jeb Bush voters like lying about Trump's record so frequently?

Unlike a certain other Jeb supporter, who shall remain nameless, I actually like Donald Trump, but I just don't think he is as conservative as he seems. Trump said that single payer works extremely well in Canada and Scotland, he slammed Jeb Bush over saying less money should go to Planned Parenthood, while you're right about ISIS, he says he thinks Ukraine and South Korea aren't our business and our allies  should fend for themselves. He slams companies like Ford and Nabisco for shipping jobs overseas but never actually addresses why they're doing that. Hint hint : a 39.1% corporate tax rate.
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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2015, 09:06:24 PM »

LOL, plenty of candidates have been far more style than substance. Schwarzenegger, for one.
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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2015, 09:51:20 PM »

Trump is against single payer, supports defunding Planned Parenthood, supports boots on the ground against ISIS, and blames economic woes on inept US politicians. Can you explain why Jeb Bush voters like lying about Trump's record so frequently?

Trump has defended single payer, supports funding planned parenthood, blames our economic woes on inept politicians AND free trade. These are all facts. What record does Trump have? Running down a sports league, 4 bankruptcies, and tons of frivolous lawsuits come to mind.
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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2015, 10:02:26 PM »

Conservatism is no longer about policy. It's a culture, personality, and way of life. Donald Trump checks off a lot of those boxes. Mitt Romney was unsuccessful not because of policy, but because he is not a conservative, "throw all caution to the wind," "ignorance is bliss" jackass.
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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2015, 10:11:50 PM »

Conservatism is no longer about policy. It's a culture, personality, and way of life. Donald Trump checks off a lot of those boxes. Mitt Romney was unsuccessful not because of policy, but because he is not a conservative, "throw all caution to the wind," "ignorance is bliss" jackass.

See, this is exactly why I can't stand Trump. I care about issues. I want the next President to reduce taxes and reform the code, repeal Obamacare, repeal Dodd-Frank, reverse Obama's rules and regulations, pass immigration reform like what Jeb Bush is describing, support and expand free trade, and return power back to states. These are real issues and I want solutions. But Trump makes all Republicans look bad, it's disgusting.
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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2015, 12:42:01 AM »

Conservatism is no longer about policy. It's a culture, personality, and way of life. Donald Trump checks off a lot of those boxes. Mitt Romney was unsuccessful not because of policy, but because he is not a conservative, "throw all caution to the wind," "ignorance is bliss" jackass.

See, this is exactly why I can't stand Trump. I care about issues. I want the next President to reduce taxes and reform the code, repeal Obamacare, repeal Dodd-Frank, reverse Obama's rules and regulations, pass immigration reform like what Jeb Bush is describing, support and expand free trade, and return power back to states. These are real issues and I want solutions. But Trump makes all Republicans look bad, it's disgusting.

Unfortunately your brand is diminishing in the Republican Party.
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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2015, 07:34:00 AM »

Trump is an Obama type. Cult of Personality.

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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2015, 08:10:35 AM »

Trump is literally the worst candidate running. Even a communist like Sanders would be better.
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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2015, 12:16:41 AM »

Conservatism is no longer about policy. It's a culture, personality, and way of life. Donald Trump checks off a lot of those boxes. Mitt Romney was unsuccessful not because of policy, but because he is not a conservative, "throw all caution to the wind," "ignorance is bliss" jackass.

See, this is exactly why I can't stand Trump. I care about issues. I want the next President to reduce taxes and reform the code, repeal Obamacare, repeal Dodd-Frank, reverse Obama's rules and regulations, pass immigration reform like what Jeb Bush is describing, support and expand free trade, and return power back to states. These are real issues and I want solutions. But Trump makes all Republicans look bad, it's disgusting.
Bush will not do any of that lol. Neither did his dad or brother

Indeed, especially under Bush 43 where he let the special interests buy off congress through his machine executioner on the hill, Tom Delay. And you wonder why something like tax code reform never happened. Why we have a 39% corporate tax rate overall and a sweatheart deal for those with the money to buy lobbyists. Is that capitalism, is that free trade?

Not to mention all the largess that was made off of the Iraqi Reconstruction through no bid constracts. Is that capitalism, is that free trade?

The biggest threat to capitalism is the corporatism of Washington DC and their incestuous relationship with Wall Street, big oil and a bunch of a corporate shills who only hate gov't when it is the EPA or IRS crawling up their a.. but they are the first to come slithering into DC for a gov't handout.
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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2015, 12:41:00 PM »

A lot of pre-Civil War presidential candidates ran without political platforms, most notably William Henry Harrison.
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