Graham on Trump's immigration policy: "It's gibberish"

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/17/politics/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-immigration/index.html

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[Simfan34]

He's right, of course.

[muon2]

A few years ago I posted my cost analysis of complete deportation based on reported ICE expenditures current prosecutions and deportations. If paid for by income taxes, a complete deportation plan would require an approximate $3000 tax hike to the average household. That's a big hike. I'm surprised that Graham or another opponent to Trump's policy doesn't call it out for its cost to the taxpayers.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Lindsey is right as usual, but Trump just has to say make Mexico pay for it or some made up thing about a resulting economic boom. Then when he's President, this unrealistic talking point does not actually have to be put into action.

[Jacobtm]

Trump's plan to "make mexico pay for it" is to increase fees on Mexican visas, impound remittances, and renegotiate trade deals to extract more money out of Mexico.

Completely reasonable.

The rest of his immigration policy is of course gold. Building a wall, creating laws mandating hiring Americans over visa-holders, national E-verify, and deporting illegals would all be boons to the U.S. working poor, the unemployed, and the rule of law in this country.

Graham is going nowhere.

[eric82oslo]

Trump's plan to "make mexico pay for it" is to increase fees on Mexican visas, impound remittances, and renegotiate trade deals to extract more money out of Mexico.

Completely reasonable.

The rest of his immigration policy is of course gold. Building a wall, creating laws mandating hiring Americans over visa-holders, national E-verify, and deporting illegals would all be boons to the U.S. working poor, the unemployed, and the rule of law in this country.

Graham is going nowhere.

Hitler would be proud of Trump for sure. About time the US has its own Hitler perhaps.

[Maxwell]

He's right, of course.

yep.

[Mehmentum]

He's right, of course.

[Simfan34]

A few years ago I posted my cost analysis of complete deportation based on reported ICE expenditures current prosecutions and deportations. If paid for by income taxes, a complete deportation plan would require an approximate $3000 tax hike to the average household. That's a big hike. I'm surprised that Graham or another opponent to Trump's policy doesn't call it out for its cost to the taxpayers.

Very interesting, muon. I actually do wonder why no one has brought this up. Maybe it's how it might sound like "we can't afford to uphold the law" to conservative audiences, but $3000 is a lot of money any way you slice it. Where did you post this analysis?

[Free Bird]

[Jacobtm]

Trump's plan to "make mexico pay for it" is to increase fees on Mexican visas, impound remittances, and renegotiate trade deals to extract more money out of Mexico.

Completely reasonable.

The rest of his immigration policy is of course gold. Building a wall, creating laws mandating hiring Americans over visa-holders, national E-verify, and deporting illegals would all be boons to the U.S. working poor, the unemployed, and the rule of law in this country.

Graham is going nowhere.

Hitler would be proud of Trump for sure. About time the US has its own Hitler perhaps.

You're ridiculous.

He's asking people here illegally to leave.

He's trying to ensure more don't come illegally.

First every foreign leader we don't like is the "next Hitler"

Now every Presidential candidate you don't like is the "next Hitler"

Exaggerate more next time.

[SteveRogers]

Trump's plan to "make mexico pay for it" is to increase fees on Mexican visas, impound remittances, and renegotiate trade deals to extract more money out of Mexico.

Completely reasonable.

The rest of his immigration policy is of course gold. Building a wall, creating laws mandating hiring Americans over visa-holders, national E-verify, and deporting illegals would all be boons to the U.S. working poor, the unemployed, and the rule of law in this country.

Graham is going nowhere.

Hitler would be proud of Trump for sure. About time the US has its own Hitler perhaps.

You're ridiculous.

He's asking people here illegally to leave.

He's trying to ensure more don't come illegally.

First every foreign leader we don't like is the "next Hitler"

Now every Presidential candidate you don't like is the "next Hitler"

Exaggerate more next time.

He is now asking that legal U.S. citizens leave as well.

[Jacobtm]

He is now asking that legal U.S. citizens leave as well.

If mom and dad get deported, do you want Junior staying alone, being put up for abortion?

I think it's best to keep the families together.

If he can strip citizenship from kids born to two parents who were not U.S. citizens, I would view that as a positive thing. I doubt he could, but I wouldn't want to stop him from trying.

Still nothing at all like the Holocaust or Hitler. Almost every country in the world does not give citizenship to people simply for being born there.

[SteveRogers]

He is now asking that legal U.S. citizens leave as well.

If mom and dad get deported, do you want Junior staying alone, being put up for abortion?

I think it's best to keep the families together.

If he can strip citizenship from kids born to two parents who were not U.S. citizens, I would view that as a positive thing. I doubt he could, but I wouldn't want to stop him from trying.

Still nothing at all like the Holocaust or Hitler. Almost every country in the world does not give citizenship to people simply for being born there.

You understand that even if  a constitutional amendment removed the birthright citizenship clause from the constitution, you still couldn't revoke the citizenship of existing U.S. citizens without due process, right? Throwing fundamental due process rights out the window would definitely be at least a little hitlery.

[bobloblaw]

say the man polling at 1% who once declared he was a "Chamber of Commerce Republican"

[bobloblaw]

Trump's plan to "make mexico pay for it" is to increase fees on Mexican visas, impound remittances, and renegotiate trade deals to extract more money out of Mexico.

Completely reasonable.

The rest of his immigration policy is of course gold. Building a wall, creating laws mandating hiring Americans over visa-holders, national E-verify, and deporting illegals would all be boons to the U.S. working poor, the unemployed, and the rule of law in this country.

Graham is going nowhere.

Hitler would be proud of Trump for sure. About time the US has its own Hitler perhaps.

Ah yea, the Goodwin Law.

Taxing remittances is entirely reasonable.

[Jacobtm]

You understand that even if  a constitutional amendment removed the birthright citizenship clause from the constitution, you still couldn't revoke the citizenship of existing U.S. citizens without due process, right? Throwing fundamental due process rights out the window would definitely be at least a little hitlery.

Stop comparing people you don't like to Hitler it is ridiculous you don't seem serious comparing a mass murderer to a person who wants the children of two Mexican citizens to be a Mexican citizen.

Obviously stripping citizenship sounds unrealistic, but who knows. Many presidential candidates make unrealistic claims that don't get fulfilled.

Obama however has shown that you can do a lot with just executive orders. He justified the drone-assasination of an American citizen without a trial based on secret legal memos. So I'm sure Trump would have a fighting chance of figuring this out.

[muon2]

A few years ago I posted my cost analysis of complete deportation based on reported ICE expenditures current prosecutions and deportations. If paid for by income taxes, a complete deportation plan would require an approximate $3000 tax hike to the average household. That's a big hike. I'm surprised that Graham or another opponent to Trump's policy doesn't call it out for its cost to the taxpayers.

Very interesting, muon. I actually do wonder why no one has brought this up. Maybe it's how it might sound like "we can't afford to uphold the law" to conservative audiences, but $3000 is a lot of money any way you slice it. Where did you post this analysis?

My post was in 2012, but there are more recent news articles that estimate the cost as between $400 and $600 billion. With 150 million households that's about $3000 per at the low end. When one adds in related costs the number can approach $1 trillion. If only the 100 million households that currently pay taxes carry that load it will cost each $10,000 on average.

[Jacobtm]

A few years ago I posted my cost analysis of complete deportation based on reported ICE expenditures current prosecutions and deportations. If paid for by income taxes, a complete deportation plan would require an approximate $3000 tax hike to the average household. That's a big hike. I'm surprised that Graham or another opponent to Trump's policy doesn't call it out for its cost to the taxpayers.

Very interesting, muon. I actually do wonder why no one has brought this up. Maybe it's how it might sound like "we can't afford to uphold the law" to conservative audiences, but $3000 is a lot of money any way you slice it. Where did you post this analysis?

My post was in 2012, but there are more recent news articles that estimate the cost as between $400 and $600 billion. With 150 million households that's about $3000 per at the low end. When one adds in related costs the number can approach $1 trillion. If only the 100 million households that currently pay taxes carry that load it will cost each $10,000 on average.

Cheaper than the war in Iraq.

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

Trump's plan to "make mexico pay for it" is to increase fees on Mexican visas, impound remittances, and renegotiate trade deals to extract more money out of Mexico.

Completely reasonable.

The rest of his immigration policy is of course gold. Building a wall, creating laws mandating hiring Americans over visa-holders, national E-verify, and deporting illegals would all be boons to the U.S. working poor, the unemployed, and the rule of law in this country.

Graham is going nowhere.

Hitler would be proud of Trump for sure. About time the US has its own Hitler perhaps.

"ENFORCING THE LAW IS LITERALLY HITLER!"

[jimrtex]

A few years ago I posted my cost analysis of complete deportation based on reported ICE expenditures current prosecutions and deportations. If paid for by income taxes, a complete deportation plan would require an approximate $3000 tax hike to the average household. That's a big hike. I'm surprised that Graham or another opponent to Trump's policy doesn't call it out for its cost to the taxpayers.

Very interesting, muon. I actually do wonder why no one has brought this up. Maybe it's how it might sound like "we can't afford to uphold the law" to conservative audiences, but $3000 is a lot of money any way you slice it. Where did you post this analysis?

My post was in 2012, but there are more recent news articles that estimate the cost as between $400 and $600 billion. With 150 million households that's about $3000 per at the low end. When one adds in related costs the number can approach $1 trillion. If only the 100 million households that currently pay taxes carry that load it will cost each $10,000 on average.

$1 trillion over 20 years is $50 billion per year.  Let's say $50,000 to $100,000 per job, that is between 500,000 and 1 million jobs for Americans, not including the millions of job openings in the private sector.

[eric82oslo]

Trump's plan to "make mexico pay for it" is to increase fees on Mexican visas, impound remittances, and renegotiate trade deals to extract more money out of Mexico.

Completely reasonable.

The rest of his immigration policy is of course gold. Building a wall, creating laws mandating hiring Americans over visa-holders, national E-verify, and deporting illegals would all be boons to the U.S. working poor, the unemployed, and the rule of law in this country.

Graham is going nowhere.

Hitler would be proud of Trump for sure. About time the US has its own Hitler perhaps.

You're ridiculous.

He's asking people here illegally to leave.

He's trying to ensure more don't come illegally.

First every foreign leader we don't like is the "next Hitler"

Now every Presidential candidate you don't like is the "next Hitler"

Exaggerate more next time.

Trump's new immigration policies have been called "the American Putin" and "hardcore porn for nativists today by serious journalists, so apparently I'm not the only one to think so.

Trump, An American Putin: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/08/19/trump_an_american_putin_127813.html

Trump's Immigration Plan Is Hardcore Porn For Nativists: http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/19/trumps-immigration-plan-is-hardcore-porn-for-nativists/

[Simfan34]

say the man polling at 1% who once declared he was a "Chamber of Commerce Republican"

I thought you were against Trump.  Why are you attacking his attacker?

[eric82oslo]

Trump's plan to "make mexico pay for it" is to increase fees on Mexican visas, impound remittances, and renegotiate trade deals to extract more money out of Mexico.

Completely reasonable.

The rest of his immigration policy is of course gold. Building a wall, creating laws mandating hiring Americans over visa-holders, national E-verify, and deporting illegals would all be boons to the U.S. working poor, the unemployed, and the rule of law in this country.

Graham is going nowhere.

Hitler would be proud of Trump for sure. About time the US has its own Hitler perhaps.

"ENFORCING THE LAW IS LITERALLY HITLER!"

You mean revoking the Constitution? For me, revoking the Constitution is not the same as enforcing the law. I think the Supreme Court would agree even.

[Fuzzy Bear]

The GOP Establishment has given aid and comfort to the "Deport 'em all!" crowd for years, blasting Obama for his Executive Orders, etc.  Now, Trump has called them all on the gap between General Election rhetoric and off-season governing.

I'm LOVIN' it!