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« Reply #5450 on: September 03, 2016, 12:41:00 PM »



Donald Trump (R-NY)/ Mike Pence (R-IN): 270EV
Hillary Clinton(D-NY)/ Tim Kaine (D-VA): 268EV
Gary Johnson (L-NM)/ William Weld (L-MA): 0EV
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« Reply #5451 on: September 06, 2016, 05:29:55 PM »
« Edited: September 08, 2016, 03:01:09 PM by mencken »

Predicted Johnson support by state:




Divide the color scale by 10 for predicted vote percentage.

Predicted 2016 swing map:
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« Reply #5452 on: September 08, 2016, 03:21:20 AM »
« Edited: September 08, 2016, 03:22:59 AM by clash »

Alan Greenspan's projection of the '68 election during Humphrey's polling nadir in September.



Former Vice President Richard Nixon/Governor Spiro Agnew - 461 EV (43%) ✓
Governor George Wallace/General Curtis LeMay - 66 EV (21%)
Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey/Senator Edmund Muskie - 11 EV (28%)
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« Reply #5453 on: September 08, 2016, 10:16:15 PM »



Any guesses?
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« Reply #5454 on: September 08, 2016, 10:23:18 PM »

Shelby/Dukakis vs Bush/Sununu?
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« Reply #5455 on: September 08, 2016, 10:25:54 PM »

No, it's not a specific matchup.
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« Reply #5456 on: September 09, 2016, 07:44:04 PM »

isidewith.com results:

306-232
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« Reply #5457 on: September 09, 2016, 10:24:50 PM »

Um... Alternate 1992 or 1976?
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« Reply #5458 on: September 10, 2016, 04:11:30 PM »

It's the average of the 2012 and 1956 PVI's, taking into account third party vote.
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« Reply #5459 on: September 10, 2016, 04:47:10 PM »

1908 vs. 1996

(Because of significant third-party totals, if both won the state, whoever's margin, not vote share, was highest wins the state)



Bill Clinton/Al Gore 296 EVs
William Taft/James Sherman 216 EVs
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« Reply #5460 on: September 10, 2016, 10:45:35 PM »
« Edited: September 12, 2016, 02:13:04 PM by John Ewards »



2008 and 2016 Dem primaries... red voted for the winner both times, blue voted for the loser, yellow voted for Clinton, and green voted against Clinton.
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« Reply #5461 on: September 11, 2016, 12:08:09 PM »

Trump: 274 (48%)
Clinton: 264 (47%)
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« Reply #5462 on: September 13, 2016, 01:09:33 PM »

United States presidential election, 2008

POD:  Don Siegelman is reelected governor of Alabama in 2002 and is never brought-up on federal charges.  He goes on to run for President in 2008, and successfully defeats Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama by appealing to Southern Whites and working class voters in the Democratic Primary.


(✓) Former Governor Don Siegelman (D-AL) / Senator Joe Biden (D-DE) - 380 EV; 53.2% of popular vote
Senator John McCain (R-AZ) / Governor Mark Sanford (R-SC) - 158 EV; 45.6% of popular vote


United States presidential election, 2012

Working with large Democratic majorities in the House and Senate, President Siegelman accomplishes a more moderate version of OTL health care reform, an economic stimulus package, and an infrastructure bill.  Democrats suffer losses in the 2010 midterms, but maintain control of both the House and Senate.  Interpreting the midterm results as a tepid affirmation of his presidency, Siegelman pursues an overly-cautious approach through much of his term.  His inability to substantially motivate his base of Southern Whites plus the Democrats' growth among young/minority voters are seen as contributing factors to his loss to Mitt Romney in 2012. 


(✓) Former Governor Mitt Romney (R-MA) / Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) - 291 EV; 49.8% of popular vote
President Don Siegelman (R-AL) / Vice President Joe Biden (D-DE) - 247 EV; 48.4% of popular vote
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« Reply #5463 on: September 13, 2016, 05:05:55 PM »

This is just a random thing I decided to think about to keep myself entertained while I didn't have internet. I deiced to divide the contiguous 48 states (+ DC) into 7 regions each consisting of 7 states, and this is what I came up with:



Region 1: The Northeast
Region 2: The Mid-Atlantic
Region 3: The South Atlantic/Gulf Coast
Region 4: The Upper South/Lower Plains
Region 5: The Midwest
Region 6: The Upper Plains/Mountain West
Region 7: The Southwest/Pacific Coast

I don't have the exact numbers, but if for some reason electoral votes were divided by regions instead of states, this is what I think the 2012 election would have looked like:



I think this map would be bad news for Republicans, since the region which would have most likely been required for their path to victory (The Southwest/Pacific Coast) has been trending very heavily D the bast few election cycles and is pretty much unwinnable for Trump, while I don't see any of the other Democratic regions flipping this election. In general, this would be how I view each region:

The Northeast: Easily safe D.
The Mid-Atlantic: Might have been winnable by Republicans at some point, but is pretty safe D at this point.
The South Atlantic/Gulf Coast: Currently pretty safely R, though with a pretty notable D trend recently.
The Upper South/Lower Plains: Safe R, pretty much the Republican eqivilant of the Northeast.
The Midwest: Somewhat battleground-ish, but almost always votes D in the end, despite certain areas trending R at various points in time.
The Upper Plains/Mountain West: A pretty safe R region, though not quite as safe as the Upper South/Lower Plains.
The Southwest/Pacific Coast: Went from being one of the most Republican regions 20-30 years ago, to being the primary battleground region, which at this point is far more likely to vote D than R.
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« Reply #5464 on: September 13, 2016, 05:16:43 PM »
« Edited: September 13, 2016, 05:18:25 PM by mencken »

The Southwest would have voted 55-42 Obama. Not sure why that would be considered more of a battleground than the Midwest (52-46 Obama), or even the Mid-Atlantic (54-45 Obama).
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« Reply #5465 on: September 13, 2016, 05:27:10 PM »

The Southwest would have voted 55-42 Obama. Not sure why that would be considered more of a battleground than the Midwest (52-46 Obama), or even the Mid-Atlantic (54-45 Obama).

Ah, interesting. Like I said, I didn't actually run any numbers, so I hadn't realized that the Midwest was actually so close. The fact that it only has one Romney state and no McCain states makes it kind of misleading, I guess.
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« Reply #5466 on: September 14, 2016, 09:50:20 AM »

United States presidential election, 1968


Senator Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY) / Senator George Smathers (D-FL) - 256 electoral votes
Governor Ronald Reagan (R-CA) / Senator Clifford Case (R-NJ) - 237 electoral votes
Governor George Wallace (AIP-AL) / General Curtis LeMay (AIP-OH) - 45 electoral votes
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« Reply #5467 on: September 14, 2016, 02:15:08 PM »




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« Reply #5468 on: September 14, 2016, 02:43:01 PM »





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« Reply #5469 on: September 15, 2016, 04:11:21 PM »
« Edited: September 15, 2016, 06:26:28 PM by Del Tachi »

United States presidential election, 2004


(✓) Senator John Edwards (D-NC) / Senator Joe Biden (D-DE) - 274 EVs; 48.5% of the PV
President George W. Bush (R-TX) / Vice President Dick Cheney (R-WY) - 264 EVs; 50.3% of the PV

President Bush gets a taste of his own medicine when he's defeated by John Edwards for reelection despite winning the popular vote.  The almost two-point spread, however, hurts Edwards' legitimacy as President and he is unable to accomplish much of his campaign platform, including health care reform and a timetable to leave Iraq by 2008, before Republicans make gains in the House and Senate in 2006.

United States presidential election, 2008


(✓) Former Governor Jeb Bush (R-FL) / Governor Tim Pawlenty (R-MN) - 382 EVs; 53.0% of the PV
President John Edwards (D-NC) / Vice President Joe Biden (D-DE) - 156 EVs, 45.4% of the PV

Jeb Bush defeats John McCain, Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee to become the Republican nominee in 2008.  While Edwards starts at a disadvantage due to the situation in Iraq and signs of a weakening economy, the collapse of global financial markets in October 2008 propels Governor Bush to the largest victory for a Republican since 1984.  John Edwards becomes remembered as another Democratic Jimmy Carter
 

United States presidential election, 2012


(✓) President Jeb Bush (R-FL) / Vice President Tim Pawlenty (R-MN) - 285 EVs; 50.1% of the PV
Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) / Senator Mark Warner (D-VA) - 253 EVs, 48.8% of the PV

Similar to OTL, President Bush's response to the financial crisis includes TARP and an economic stimulus packaged with tax cuts.  He is also successful in passing a national charter school law, immigration reform, and national right to work.  Economic recovery throughout his term is weak, and the situations in Iraq and Afghanistan remain precarious.  Democratic Senator and former First Lady Hillary Clinton forgoes reelection and beats Barack Obama to become the Democratic nominee.  She runs a campaign championing the middle class and decrying Bush's education and labor plans.  Despite most pundits predicting a close Hillary win, Bush wins a second term by riding close victories in Iowa and Ohio.

United States presidential election, 2016


(✓) Former President George W. Bush (R-TX) / Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) - 287 EVs; 48.0% of the PV
Businessman Donald Trump (D-NY) / Governor Dan Kildee (D-MI) - 251 EVs, 45.9% of the PV
Physician Jill Stein (G-MA) / Activist Ajamu Baraka (G-GA) - 0 EVs, 4.3% of the PV

2016 turns out to be one of the strangest years in American politics.  Former President George W. Bush clears the Republican field of top-tier opponents, but faces a stronger than expected primary challenge from Idaho Governor Butch Otter.  Running with a slogan of "Make American Great Again" and decrying American losses in trade and manufacturing, Businessman Donald Trump wins a fractured Democratic primary over Barack Obama, Deval Patrick, John Kerry, Bernie Sanders, and Amy Klobuchar.  Unacceptable to many of the liberal base, Trump does poorly among college-educated Whites who flock to Bush and Green Party candidate Jill Stein.



I really like this scenario, possible (short) timeline in the works
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« Reply #5470 on: September 15, 2016, 09:50:04 PM »

2004: Bush-Landslide
George W. Bush: 356 (52.5%)
Howard Dean: 182 (45.0%)

2008: Republican's Lock

John McCain: 299 (50.7%)
Hillary Clinton: 239 (47.4%)

2012: Democrat's: The Party of the People
Donald J. Trump: 366 (52.9%)
John McCain: 172 (45.1%)
Jill Stein: 0 (0.9%)

2016: The Donald Trumps All
Donald J. Trump: 435 (59.5%)
Mitt Romney: 103 (38.0%)
Ron Paul: 0 (0.7%)
Jill Stein: 0 (0.4%)
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« Reply #5471 on: September 16, 2016, 06:32:13 AM »

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« Reply #5472 on: September 16, 2016, 02:40:47 PM »


Ann Richards vs. Slade Gorton?
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« Reply #5473 on: September 16, 2016, 02:48:36 PM »

Actually, it's what happens in 538's swing calculator when you make college-educated whites vote like blacks at 100% turn-out, with NCE whites voting the opposite way at 85% turnout. turnout of non-whites at 0%. CDs were adjusted accordingly with Cook PVI.
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« Reply #5474 on: September 17, 2016, 01:01:34 PM »

Rise of the Angry

Elizabeth Warren: 51.01% (Democratic Nominee)
Cory Booker: 39.96% (Vice Presidential Nominee)
Joe Biden: 9.02%

Ted Cruz: 43.75% (Republican Nominee*At Brokered Convention)
Marco Rubio: 40.77%
John Kasich: (11.48%)

Elizabeth Warren/Cory Booker: 347 (51.79%)
Ted Cruz/Carly Fiorina: 191 (46.22%)
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