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« Reply #4725 on: August 31, 2015, 12:28:17 PM »

Theoretical nation-wide jungle primary held today:



Hillary Clinton 28% 450 EV
Bernie Sanders 16% 57 EV
Donald Trump 11% 21 EV
Ben Carson 5% 0 EV
Jeb Bush 5% 10 EV
Marco Rubio 3% 0 EV
Ted Cruz 3% 0 EV
Scott Walker 3% 0 EV
Carly Fiorina 3% 0 EV
John Kasich 2% 0 EV
All others<2%

Dems only get 44% of PV?

Oh, whoops. They were supposed to get 49%, but I think I included Biden when calculating individual percentages, and then didn't include him in the final count, since theoretically he wouldn't be on any ballots if we had an election today.
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« Reply #4726 on: August 31, 2015, 01:55:14 PM »

Some of you may have read that having sex with a horse is legal in more states than SSM. Well, here's a map of the legality:



Blue-SWH
Red-SSM
Green-Both
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I did this in 2013. Seeing it again, I'll update it to at the time just before Ogbergfell v Hobbs.:



Blue-SWH
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« Reply #4727 on: August 31, 2015, 04:37:26 PM »

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« Reply #4728 on: August 31, 2015, 04:56:58 PM »


How did you get Puerto Rico on there?
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« Reply #4729 on: August 31, 2015, 04:58:01 PM »

2000

Senator John McCain (R-AZ)/Gov. George W. Bush (R-TX): 354 EVs (52% PV)
Vice Pres. Al Gore (D-TN)/Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-CT): 184 EVs (46% PV)

After narrowly defeating George W. Bush in the South Carolina primary, John McCain's campaign for the Republican presidential nomination was on a roll.  He quickly began gaining ground in the remaining contests, defeating or running close behind Bush in several states.  By Super Tuesday, McCain had taken the lead in national polls and won most of that day's contests.  After several more weeks of duking it out, Bush withdrew from the race, making McCain the party's presumptive nominee.  In an attempt to make peace with Bush supporters and solidify the conservative base, McCain offered Bush the vice-presidential slot, which the Texas governor quickly accepted.  

In the general election, the McCain/Bush ticket faced Vice President Al Gore and Senator Joe Lieberman.  Suddenly, an expectedly close race between Bush and Gore transformed into one soon favored the GOP.  Many moderates who had deserted the GOP to support Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996 saw McCain as an acceptable candidate.  McCain played this to his advantage, touting himself in TV ads as "a different kind of Republican."  In the debates, Gore cratered as he made several missteps, including sighing during an answer by Senator McCain and invading his personal space.  Many swing voters who were already suspicious of Gore quickly expressed their disapproval in the polls.  On Election Day, Senator McCain and Governor Bush won decisively, improving vastly the GOP's previous numbers with moderates, women, minorities, and even liberals.  They narrowly took Gore's home state of Tennessee and ran strong in socially conservative coal-mining regions which previously had been the stronghold of New Deal Democrats.  The inroads that McCain made prevented Gore from breaking even 60% in any state.  The Clinton Coalition appeared to be on the verge of collapse.

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« Reply #4730 on: August 31, 2015, 09:37:19 PM »

1792: Washington Retires

Vice President John Adams of Massachusetts [Federalist]   79 Electoral Votes
Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson of Virginia [Republican]   56 Electoral Votes
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« Reply #4731 on: August 31, 2015, 09:51:42 PM »

Giuliani/Thompson: 309 (51.0%)
Gore/Lieberman: 229 (47.7%)
Other: 0 (1.3%)

2008 Republican Primary: Giuliani vs. Brownback
Rudy Giuliani: 56.6%
Sam Brownback: 42.0%
Other: 1.4%


Hillary Clinton: 51.0%
Howard Dean: 45.0%
John Edwards: 2.9%
Other: 1.1%

Clinton/Dean: 374 (54.0%)
Giuliani/Thompson: 164 (44.7%)
Other: 0 (1.3%)

Clinton/Dean: 337 (52.9%)
Romney/Huckabee: 201 (45.3%)
Other: 0 (1.8%)
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« Reply #4732 on: September 05, 2015, 09:18:34 PM »

1912:



Fmr. President Teddy Roosevelt (R - NY)/Fmr. Congressman Frank Lowden (R - IL): 337 EVs, 56.7% PV
Governor Woodrow Wilson (D - NJ)/Governor Thomas Marshall (D - IN): 194 EVs, 38.7% PV
Eugene V. Debs (S - IN)/Emil Seidel (S - WI): 0 EVs, 4.5% PV

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President Teddy Roosevelt (R - NY)/Vice President Frank Lowden (R - IL): 399 EVs, 61.0% PV
Fmr. Governor Thomas Marshall (D - IN)/Fmr. Governor Judson Harmon (D - OH): 132 EVs, 38.1% PV

1920:

Vice President Frank Lowden (R - IL)/Senator William F. Borah (R - ID): 274/273 EVs (2 Faithless Electors in Oregon for Lowden, 1 for Borah): 52.2% PV
Governor Homer S. Cummings (D - CT)/Governor James M. Cox (D - OH): 257/258 EVs, 46.4% PV
Others: 0 EVs, 1.4% PV

1924:



President William Borah (R - ID)/Vice President Leonard Wood (R - NH): 276 EVs, 48.9% PV
Fmr. President William Howard Taft (D - OH)/Senator Oscar Underwood (D - AL): 50.3% PV
Others: 0 EVs, 0.8% PV

1928:



Fmr. Governor John Davis (D - WV)/Governor Al Smith (D - NY): 386 EVs, 55.9% PV
Fmr. Senator Robert M. La Follette, Sr. (R - WI)/Secretary of Labor Herbert Hoover (R - IA): 143 EVs, 40% PV
Emil Seidel (S - WI)/Norman Thomas (S - NY): 2 EVs, 4.0% PV

1932:



President John Davis (D - WV)/Vice President Al Smith (D - NY): 470 EVs, 62.7% PV
Fmr. Secretary of Labor Herbert Hoover (R - IA)/ Congressman Frank Knox (R - IL): 30.9%
Congressman Henry Wallace (OR - IA)/Norman Thomas (OR - NY): 19 EVs, 6% PV

1936:



Governor Pat McCarran (D - NV)/Governor James F. Byrnes (D - SC): 456 EVs, 59.3% PV
House Minority Leader Arthur Vandenburg (R - MI)/Congressman Harold Stassen (R - MN): 75 EVs, 40.5% PV
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« Reply #4733 on: September 06, 2015, 01:50:37 PM »
« Edited: September 06, 2015, 03:35:51 PM by bagelman »



George W. Bush over John Kerry



Hillary Clinton over John McCain



Mitt Romney defeats Hillary Clinton 285-253




Mitt Romney (inc) 311 EV
Bernie Sanders 224 EV
Michelle Bachmann 3 EV

The third party Michelle Bachmann, running under the "tea party", allowed Sanders to win Minnesota through vote splitting. Bachmann's best performance was in South Dakota, winning the state by a very slim margin. Elderly voters in Florida expressed their dislike with Romney's social security reforms and the poor union state of West Virginia went for Sanders. However, Romney was still fairly popular with the majority of the electorate.




Mitt Romney's popularity did not last into his second term after a stock market collapse reminiscent of 2007-8 occurred in 2018. By 2020, most expected the Democrats to take back the White House. The '20 GOP primaries pitted Vice President Paul Ryan vs. Ohio Governor John Kasich. Kasich won and in doing so was able to distance himself from the Romney administration. Seen as a moderate, he was pitted against Martin O'Mally.

Election night is over and the results have come down to Florida, which is still going through automatic recounts and is too close to call. 
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« Reply #4734 on: September 08, 2015, 06:39:57 AM »

These maps are based on http://alternatehistory.net/discussion/showpost.php?p=5077736&postcount=189 this scenario. by Ephraim Ben Raphael on AH.com and covered by RvBOMally.

Vice President Richard "Dick" Cheney is one of over 4000 to die on 9/11.



√ President George W. Bush (R-TX) / Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) 331 EV

Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) / Ret. Gen. Wesley Clark (D-AR) 207 EV

With much larger scale wars than our world, resentment agains the War on Terror escalates slower but steeper. The Democrats don't have their 2006 wave, but they do have a big wave in 2008:



√ Sen. Hillary R Clinton (D-NY) / Sen. Barack H Obama (D-IL) 397 EV

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) / Fmr. Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R-NY) 141 EV

Obama's run for president ended in March when he endorsed Sen. Clinton, who chose him as her running mate.

The Democrats gain control on both houses of congress in 2008 (after coming close in 2006) and retain control of the senate in 2010 despite tea party opposition. The Tea Party is less inclined to attack President Clinton relentlessly, instead targeting Vice President Obama (Clinton's attack dog) and the democratic congressional leaders.


President Hillary Clinton dies on the 9/11/11 terrorist attacks on Washington D.C. The attacks also claim the lives of George W. Bush and John Kerry, along with George HW Bush and other significant attendees.

Barack H. Obama assumes the presidency. He runs for a full term.


Republican primaries, 2012:



√ Businessman Edward Butler (NJ)

Fmr. Gov. Mitt Romney (MA)

Sen. Rick Santorum (PA)

Gov. Rick Perry (TX)

Rep. Ron Paul (TX) (challenged Butler on his pro-war xenophobic stance, but won no primaries other than a territory)

Edward Butler is an objectivist, running with the backing of the Tea Party faction of the GOP and his powerful charisma. The establishment vote was divided between Romney, who gaffed and flip-flopped his way to defeat, and Santorum representing the classical SoCon vote. Perry put up a much better fight than OTL, but endorsed Butler.

President Obama is the favorite at the start of the race, but Butler, with his blend of neoconservatism and libertarianism, is able to incite anger among the base especially regarding the number 1 issue on the minds of voters: islamic terror.

While there are some right-wing extremists who accuse Obama of being born in Kenya, and thus is ineligible to be President, an even worse theory emerges that claims Obama orchestrated the 9/11/11 attacks to assassinate President Clinton. This theory is stupid but spreads among a few far-right circles. Fortunately this theory is outlandish enough not to be brought up in serious discussion, but GOP candidate Butler does accuse Obama of "not doing enough" to avenge the death of Clinton, especially by "cowardly refuses to name who is responsible: Radical Islamic Terrorism".

Overall, while he was ahead for most of the summer and early fall, Obama was well behind in the polls by October thanks to Butler's zeal, forcing in to campaign with vigor just to stay alive and force a tossup election.



√ Businessman Edward Butler (R-NJ) / Businessman Herman Cain (R-GA) 272 EV

President Barack Obama (D-IL) / Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) 265 EV

Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) / Fmr. President Bill Clinton (D-AR) 1 EV, faithless elector from Delaware

The results of the election were not decided for weeks, thanks to constant recounts in Ohio, Iowa, Virginia, and Florida. Obama needed to win all these states to win, and won all but Ohio.

Obama was alleged to be very depressed and tense when his lame duck period began. Michelle Obama, in her memoirs, recounted that "Barack saw something in Mr. Butler that even our most loyal supporters didn't see. He had that aura about him, an aura that made personable people like by husband uneasy."

Newly elected Vice President Herman Cain lasted even less than his President, resigning after Butler's decision to...you might want to read the scenario above to know more.
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« Reply #4735 on: September 08, 2015, 09:59:14 AM »

2016:

Compared to 1864



√ Revolutionary leader Jerry Brown (D-CA) / Fmr. President Barack H Obama (D-IL) 425 EV

Ron Paul (R-TX) / Rand Paul (R-KY) 8 EV

Unallocated, under military occupation, or in the process of seceding via the Treaty of Omaha and the Treaty of Denver 105 EV not given to any candidate

2020:

Compared to 1820



√ Vice President Barack H Obama (D-IL) / Sen. Martin Heinrich (D-NM) 490 EV

Fmr. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) / Ret. Neurosurgeon Ben Carson (R-MD) 0 EV

Rand Paul (R-KY) / John Washington (I-TX) 1 EV (Faithless elector, KY)

2024:

Compared to 1984 or '88



√ President Barack H Obama (D-IL) / Vice President Martin Heinrich (D-NM) 534 EV

Rep. Robert Painter (P-PA) / Mayor Elina Lucero (P-NY) 4 EV

Rand Paul (L-KY) / Julie Lund (L-GA) 0 EV

George P. Bush (R-TX) / Chris Long (R-NY) 0 EV

Fun fact: Vice President Heinrich becomes the first incumbent VP to be re-elected since 1996.

2028:

The Democratic party, ruling the country as a dominant party state since the end of the civil war, split themselves over establishment center-left candidate Martin Heinrich, having moved further to the left than Obama during his time in office, and "change" candidate Yvette Smith who finally provides a voice to the orphaned center-right vote.

The Progressive Party splits the left and center left vote, allowing Smith to win with support from the center and right.



√ Gov. Yvette Smith (D-MO) / Sen. Kate Jenkins (D-TX)

Vice President Martin Heinrich (D-NM) / Gov. Alice Gonzalez (D-FL)

Rep. Chelsea B. Dunn (P-CA) / Rep. Robert Painter (P-PA)

As of January 20th, 2029, at the end of his career, President Obama has served as Vice President for 6 years, 8 months, and 22 days, and President for 9 years, 4 months, and 9 days.

2032:

The Democratic party reunifies under the center-right President Smith, but the leftist Progressive party is more powerful than ever...



√ President Yvette Smith (D-MO) / Vice President Kate Jenkins (D-TX)

Sen. Lucas Belton (P-IL) / Sen. Gerry Michaels (P-RI)

Lucas Belton is the first transgender candidate, a man originally born in the body of a woman. President Smith attacks Belton for being a carpetbagger, moving from the President's home state to neighboring Illinois to run for senator against an unpopular incumbent. She also attacks him for not getting much done in the senate. Senator Belton is able to generate excitement as a herald for the end of one party rule but is unable to defeat a reasonably popular President Smith.

2036:



√ Senate Maj. Leader Paul Canon (P-FL) / Gov. Robert Painter (P-PA)

Vice President Kate Jenkins (D-TX) / Sec. of Interior Joyce Cantu (D-WV)

Finally, the progressive party captures the white house. VP Jenkins proves to be a less effective campaigner than President Smith, making stupid and occasionally personally offensive gaffes. While she is able to offer detailed answers to questions, and chooses experienced secretary Joyce Cantu as her running mate, Sen. Canon is able to provide even more innovative solutions while railing against corruption, greed, and lack of action in flood stricken states like his own.
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« Reply #4736 on: September 08, 2015, 06:31:32 PM »

√ Kasich/Rubio: 342 (52.4%)
Sanders/Klobuchar: 196 (45.6%)
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« Reply #4737 on: September 08, 2015, 08:15:15 PM »
« Edited: September 08, 2015, 08:56:05 PM by Skill and Chance »

1912



Roosevelt/Johnson 286 EV 34.3%
Wilson/Marshall     218 EV 33.2%
Taft/Butler             27 EV 26.9%
Debs/Seidel          0 EV 4.1%

American involvement in WWI begins in the summer of 1915 in response to the sinking of the Lusitania.

1916



Roosevelt/Johnson 346 EV 43.8%
James M. Cox/Joseph Robinson 124 EV 28.2%
Pierre DuPont/Calvin Coolidge   62 EV  27.1%

President Roosevelt dies in his sleep in Paris on December 9th, 1918, the night after negotiations concluded with an armistice to end WWI on favorable terms.  He strenuously fought to add provisions for strict outside supervision of the new German democracy in place of harsh reparations clauses advocated by other allied nations.  The treaty is subsequently ratified by one vote in the senate at President Johnson's insistence during the fall of 1919.
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« Reply #4738 on: September 08, 2015, 09:03:19 PM »
« Edited: September 08, 2015, 09:22:14 PM by Skill and Chance »

1920



Hiram Johnson/Charles Evans Hughes 466 EV 51.8%
Charles Bryan/George B. Martin            55 EV 21.9%
George Norris/LeBaron Colt                  10 EV 24.3%

1924



Charles Bryan/Clifford Walker 233 EV 37.9%*
Hiram Johnson/Charles Evans Hughes 164 EV 30.5%
Calvin Coolidge/Charles McNary 134 EV 31.2%

*The House and Senate, where Democrats have the plurality, elect Bryan and Walker.
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« Reply #4739 on: September 09, 2015, 05:57:31 PM »
« Edited: September 21, 2015, 07:51:03 PM by Skill and Chance »

1928



Charles Bryan/Clifford Walker 421 EV 52.1%
Alvan Fuller/Walter Evans Edge 56 EV 23.8%
Robert LaFollette/William Pine   54 EV 23.3%

1932



Franklin Roosevelt/Upton Sinclair  222 EV  37.8%
Charles Curtis/Herbert Hoover  196 EV  38.1%
Clifford Walker/Claude Swanson 113 EV  22.9%

After a coalition agreement is formed, the House elects Roosevelt and the senate elects Hoover for a Roosevelt/Hoover Progressive-Republican administration.

1936



Franklin Roosevelt/Herbert Hoover (Coalition) 503 EV 67.1%

Theodore Bilbo/Walter F. George  28 EV  29.2%
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« Reply #4740 on: September 09, 2015, 09:41:11 PM »

Primary (up to Super Tuesday) map time! These are for the 2016 elections. Guess the candidates by color.

Republicans:



Democrats:

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« Reply #4741 on: September 09, 2015, 09:53:04 PM »

Primary (up to Super Tuesday) map time! These are for the 2016 elections. Guess the candidates by color.

Republicans:



Democrats:



GOP -

Green is Bush
Yellow is Trump
Blue is Cruz

Democrats -

Red is Bernie
Green is Joe
Blue is Hillary
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« Reply #4742 on: September 09, 2015, 10:39:15 PM »

Primary (up to Super Tuesday) map time! These are for the 2016 elections. Guess the candidates by color.

Republicans:



Democrats:



GOP -

Green is Bush
Yellow is Trump
Blue is Cruz

Democrats -

Red is Bernie
Green is Joe
Blue is Hillary

I would guess Kasich for green and Rubio for blue on the GOP side.
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« Reply #4743 on: September 09, 2015, 10:58:44 PM »

Darth has it right on the money except for the green GOP candidate.
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« Reply #4744 on: September 09, 2015, 11:12:39 PM »

Darth has it right on the money except for the green GOP candidate.

Rubio? Paul?
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« Reply #4745 on: September 09, 2015, 11:13:18 PM »

Darth has it right on the money except for the green GOP candidate.

Rubio? Paul?

It's Kasich.
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« Reply #4746 on: September 09, 2015, 11:16:01 PM »


Interesting. If I had to guess, I suppose Kasich probably wins the nomination, as he's the only moderate-y candidate left and will hence probably win most of the Northeast, Midwest, and Pacific (and he's the candidate you're endorsing Tongue).
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« Reply #4747 on: September 10, 2015, 11:50:51 AM »



Nixon '72 vs. Reagan '84
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« Reply #4748 on: September 10, 2015, 12:49:35 PM »

I have.... an idea.... but I am still deathly afraid to make a map..... it's a long story..... but.....

1960 :

Democratic Governor of New Jersey Robert Meyner and Senator Lyndon Johnson of Texas vs Vice President Richard Nixon and Senator Barry Goldwater !
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« Reply #4749 on: September 10, 2015, 01:25:44 PM »

Percent "non religious" by state according to Gallup (2014)

non-religious = blue
moderately+very religious = red



Versus the 1936 election results:

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