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« Reply #4100 on: April 08, 2014, 04:31:54 PM »

How could this happen?



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« Reply #4101 on: April 08, 2014, 04:52:23 PM »


Sandoval/Ayotte vs. Warner/Nunn in a strong GOP year.
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« Reply #4102 on: April 08, 2014, 09:42:05 PM »

Death of Social Conservatism:

2012:

Pres. Barack Obama/VP Joe Biden 378EV 51%
Fmr. Sen. Rick Santorum/Fmr. Spkr. Newt Gingrich 157EV 45%
Rep. Ron Paul/Fmr. Gov. Gary Johnson 3EV 6%

2016:

VP. Joe Biden/Sen. Kristen Gillibrand 348EV 48%
Fmr. Gov. Mike Huckabee/Sen. John Thune 187EV 44%
Fmr. Gov. Gary Johnson/Rep. Justin Amash 3EV 8%

2020:

Pres. Joe Biden/VP Kristen Gillibrand 244EV 48%
Sen. Rand Paul/Gov. Rick Synder 294EV 50%
Activist Mary Ruwart/Judge Jim Grey 0EV 2%
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« Reply #4103 on: April 08, 2014, 11:45:32 PM »


Sandoval/Ayotte vs. Warner/Nunn in a strong GOP year.

Gene Taylor on the Dem ticket, perhaps.
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« Reply #4104 on: April 11, 2014, 02:55:32 PM »

2004

After a series of Economic reforms, including a Outsource Business Tax, and a repeal of Fmr. President Clinton's Free Trade of North America Act (FTNAA), Cleland's popularity skyrocketed, even more so after the Society department was created, fully supported by the Democratic Congress, though on September 21st 2003, a bombing by Terrorist Timothy McVeigh on the capitol caused the death of both Cleland, Biden and Gephardt, leaving Senate Majority Leader Oliver North (Republicans elected him Minority leader afterLott's retirement, and they took the Senate narrowly in '02) President, he intended to run for re election, though he was immensely unpopular, and his Veep Linda Lingle barely got through, only due to a deal with the Reformites (Who had 10 Seats in Congress), clearly, in 2004, it was for the Democrats to lose.



Fmr. California Governor Dianne Feinstein/Texas Senator Ron Kirk:341 EV, 40%
President Oliver North/VP Linda Lingle:107 EV, 30%
Arizona Senator John McCain/Massachusetts Rep. Mitt Romney:90 EV, 29.3%
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« Reply #4105 on: April 13, 2014, 09:53:06 PM »

2016:

Sen. Rand Paul/Gov. Scott Walker 282EV
Gov. Jason Carter/Sen. Mark Warner 256EV
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« Reply #4106 on: April 14, 2014, 11:12:40 AM »

2012:


New Jersey Governor Chris Christie/Arizona Senator John Kyl:282 EV, 47.91%
President Barack Obama/VP Joe Biden:256 EV, 47.26%

2016:
-President Christie is shot in mid 2013, VP Kyl takes over, though many doubt his ability after passing dangerous welfare cuts, getting the US into both Crimea and Syria, with open conflict with Iran erupting in January 2015, allowing for a Primary challenge from Senator Jim DeMint, who primaries the President due to dissatisfaction from the establishment, and due to Tea Partiers being emboldened.


Arizona Senator Gabrielle Giffords/Alaska Senator Mark Begich:368 EV,  40.35%
South Carolina Senator Jim DeMint/Texas Governor Ted Cruz:117 EV, 35.72%
Indiana Senator Dan Coats/North Dakota Senator John Hoeven:53 EV, 21.67%

2020:


California Governor Kevin McCarthy/New Hampshire Governor Kelly Ayotte:301 EV, 50.45%
President Gabrielle Giffords/VP Mark Begich:237 EV, 47.10%
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« Reply #4107 on: April 15, 2014, 10:47:16 AM »

2004:


Indiana Senator Evan Bayh/Washington Governor Gary Locke:303 EV, 48.18%
President George W. Bush/Colorado Governor Bill Owens:235 EV, 45.45%

2008


Kansas Senator Sam Brownback/Wisconsin Governor Mark Green:348 EV, 44.12%
President Evan Bayh/VP Gary Locke:190 EV, 39.70%
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg/General Anthony Zinni:0 EV, 17.01%
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« Reply #4108 on: April 16, 2014, 08:00:41 AM »
« Edited: April 16, 2014, 08:02:38 AM by Thomas Jefferson »



R 344 to 194
How in the world does this happen?
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« Reply #4109 on: April 16, 2014, 08:05:08 AM »

Or this:



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« Reply #4110 on: April 16, 2014, 08:07:56 AM »



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« Reply #4111 on: April 16, 2014, 08:56:51 AM »

1988


New York Governor Mario Cuomo/Missouri Rep. Dick Gephardt:380 EV, 47.10%
VP George H.W Bush/Indiana Senator Danforth Quayle:258 EV, 45.10%
Texas Activist Ron Paul/Alaska Activist Andre Marrou:0 EV, 6.02%

1992


Michigan Governor John Engler/North Carolina Senator Elizabeth Dole:324 EV, 49.04%
President Mario Cuomo/VP Dick Gephardt:214 EV, 45.43%
Texas Rep. Ron Paul/Nebraska Activist Nancy Lord:0 EV, 5.20%

1996:


Indiana Senator Evan Bayh/West Virginia Senator Jay Rockefeller:349 EV, 38.91%
President John Engler/VP Elizabeth Dole:185 EV, 34.11%
Maine Senator Angus King/Minnesota Rep. Tim Penny:3 EV, 22.10%
Texas Rep. Ron Paul/Alaska State Senator Andre Marrou:0 EV, 6%

2000


President Evan Bayh/VP Jay Rockefeller:406 EV, 36%
Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum/Georgia Rep. Sonny Perdue:89 EV, 25%
Maine Governor Susan Collins/Minnesota Senator Dean Barkley:40 EV, 24.1%
Texas Governor Ron Paul/New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson:3 EV, 13.5%

2004


Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson/New York Rep. Peter King:234 EV, 30%
Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone/Sec. Defence Sam Nunn:264 EV, 31.3%
Maine Rep. Elliot Cutler/Montana Senator Brian Schweitzer:35 EV, 20.1%
New Mexico Senator Gary Johnson/Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura:7 EV, 15.01%
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« Reply #4112 on: April 18, 2014, 04:34:43 AM »
« Edited: April 19, 2014, 03:10:05 AM by badgate »

BUSH WINS '92

1992


California Governor Jerry Brown / Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton - 249
President George H.W. Bush / Vice President Dan Quayle - 276
Texan Ross Perot / James Stockdale - 13


--Kansas Senator Bob Dole beats Vice President Quayle in an extended and brutal primary.--

1996


Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton / Texas Governor Ann Richards - 267
Kansas Senator Bob Dole / Alan Keyes - 271


2000


Texas Governor Ann Richards / Tennessee Senator Al Gore, Jr. - 352
President Bob Dole / Vice President Alan Keyes - 186


--9/11 happens as in RL. America occupies Afghanistan and Osama bin Laden is captured in a remote mountain range in Feb., 2004.--

2004


President Ann Richards / Vice President Al Gore, Jr. - 308
Arizona Senator John McCain / Maine Senator Susan Collins - 230


--President Richards dies in 2006, as in RL. Gore becomes President and appoints Secretary of State John Kerry to be Vice President.--

--The financial crisis occurs as in RL. Up until the final weeks of the campaign, President Gore looked strongly favored.--


2008


President Al Gore, Jr. / Vice President John Kerry - 265
Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney / Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee - 273


2012


Vice President John Kerry / New York Senator Hillary Rodham - 272
President Mitt Romney / Vice President Mike Huckabee 266
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« Reply #4113 on: April 18, 2014, 08:10:48 AM »

The Rise and Fall of the DLC

1980


President Jimmy Carter/Vice President Walter Mondale:294 EV, 45.10%
Fmr. California Governor Ronald Reagen/CIA Director George H.W Bush:244 EV, 44.20%
Illinois Rep. John Anderson/Wisconsin Senator Patrick Lucey:0 EV, 7.54%

1984


Virginia Governor Chuck Robb/Arizona Governor Bruce Babbit:273 EV, 49.88%
New York Senator Al D'Amato/Washington Governor John D. Spellman:265 EV, 49.01%

1988


Illinois Governor Donald Rumsfeld/Fmr. Nevada Senator Paul Laxalt:426 EV, 55.16%
President Chuck Robb/VP Bruce Babbit:112 EV, 40.10%

1992:


California Senator Jerry Brown/Indiana Senator Birch Bayh:371 EV, 50.03%
President Donald Rumsfeld/VP Paul Laxalt:167 EV, 43.99%
Tevangelist Pat Robertson/Tevangelist Jerry Falwell:0 EV, 4.20%

1996:


President Jerry Brown/VP Birch Bayh:340 EV, 47.01%
Arizona Governor Evan Mecham/Florida Governor Jeb Bush:198 EV, 44.10%
Tevangelist Pat Robertson/Tevangelist Billy Graham:0 EV, 6.2%

2000:


New York Mayor Rudy Giluani/South Dakota Senator Larry Pressler:329 EV, 47.10%
Montana Senator Max Baucus/Nevada Senator Harry Reid:209 EV, 43.20%
Tevangelist Billy Graham/Tevangelist Pat Robertson:0 EV, 7.1%
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« Reply #4114 on: April 18, 2014, 06:46:23 PM »

√ Gov. Mitt Romney (R-MA) / Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) 281 (49.4%)
Pres. Barack Obama (D-IL) / Vice Pres. Joe Biden (D-DE) 257 (49.2%)

√ Sec. of State. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) / Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) 275 (49.3%)
Pres. Mitt Romney (R-MA) / Vice Pres. Paul Ryan (R-WI) 263 (49.3%)

√ Pres. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) / Vice Pres. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) 310 (51.3%)
Vice Pres. Paul Ryan (R-WI) / Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) 228 (46.8%)

Gov. Chris Christie (R-NJ) / Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) 300 (50.8%)
Vice Pres. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) / Gov. Gavin Newsome (D-CA) 238 (47.7%)

√ Pres. Chris Christie (R-NJ) / Vice Pres. Marco Rubio (R-F) 324 (52.0%)
Sen. Martin Heinrich/ (D-NM) / Gov. Julian Castro (D-TX) 214 (46.8%)


√ Vice Pres. Marco Rubio (R-FL) / Gov. Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) 281 (49.5%)
Gov. Julian Castro (D-TX) / Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) 257 (49.4%)
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« Reply #4115 on: April 19, 2014, 09:44:43 AM »

Oasis:

1960:


Abraham Lincoln/Hannibal Hamlin:146 EV, 33.9% (Republican)
John C. Breckinridge/Joseph Lane:127 EV, 33.01% (Southern Democrat)
Stephen Douglas/Hershel Johnson:30 EV, 33% (Northern Democrat)

-Congress elected Breckinridge to the enragement of many abolitionists, sparking a Civil War, with the entire Northeast region seceding, founding the "Free States of America"
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« Reply #4116 on: April 19, 2014, 04:28:20 PM »

√ Senator Bob Dole (R-KS) / Representative Jack Kemp (R-NY) 270 (47.3%)
President Bill Clinton (D-AR) / Vice President Al Gore (D-TN) 268 (46.6%)
Ross Perot (I-TX) / Pat Choate (I-DC) 0 (5.1%)

√ Pres. Bob Dole (R-KS) / Representative Jack Kemp (R-NY) 306 (50.9%)
Senator Bill Bradley (D-NJ) / Senator Paul Wellstone (D-MN) 232 (47.8%)

√ Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R-NY) / Governor Mike Huckabee (R-AR) 391 (52.9%)
Governor Howard Dean (D-VT) / Senator John Edwards (D-NC) 147 (45.4%)

√ Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN) / Governor Mark Warner (D-VA) 336 (51.7%)
President Rudy Giuliani (R-NY) / Vice President Mike Huckabee (R-AR) 202 (46.8%)

√ President Evan Bayh (D-IN) / Vice President Mark Warner (D-VA) 305 (51.3%)
Governor George W. Bush (R-TX) / Senator John Thune (R-SD) 233 (47.4%)
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« Reply #4117 on: April 19, 2014, 10:07:49 PM »



Dewey 1944 vote total vs Dewey 1948 vote total
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« Reply #4118 on: April 20, 2014, 03:12:01 PM »

As promised here are the ORIGINAL maps for All Stand Down.

1988


Massachusetts Governor Mike Dukakis / Texas Senator Lloyd Bentsen - 112
Vice President George H. W. Bush / Indiana Senator Dan Quayle - 426


1992


Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton / Tennessee Senator Al Gore, Jr. - 370
President George H. W. Bush / Vice President Dan Quayle - 168


1996


Vice President Al Gore, Jr. / Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman - 280
Kansas Senator Bob Dole / Frmr. H.U.D. Secretary Jack Kemp - 249
Texas Independent Ross Perot / Pat Choate - 9


2000


President Al Gore, Jr. / Vice President Joe Lieberman - 267
Texas Governor George W. Bush / Frmr. Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney - 271


2004


Massachusetts Senator John Kerry / North Carolina Senator John Edwards - 232
Arizona Senator John McCain / Frmr. Oklahoma Rep. J.C. Watts - 306


2008


Illinois Senator Barack Obama / Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius - 325
Vice President J.C. Watts / Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee - 213


2012


New York Senator Hillary Clinton / Frmr. Indiana Senator Evan Bayh - 384
Frmr. Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney / Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan - 154


2016


New York Governor Andrew Cuomo / Florida Governor Alex Sink - 233
New Jersey Governor Chris Christie / Pennsylvania Senator Pat Toomey - 305


2020


Wisconsin Senator Tammy Baldwin / Pennsylvania Governor Joe Sestak - 271
President Chris Christie / Vice President Pat Toomey - 267


2024


President Tammy Baldwin / Vice President Joe Sestak* - 273**
Utah Governor Mia Love / Frmr. Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker - 265






*At the time, I was considering having Sestak be replaced when Baldwin ran for reelection, because of his age.
**The idea of Puerto Rican statehood had not come up at this point in the development, so its 7 electoral votes are not counted here.
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« Reply #4119 on: April 22, 2014, 11:25:34 AM »
« Edited: April 23, 2014, 05:15:10 AM by Ross Perot »

California Senate 2006 with President Dean:



Businesswoman Meg Whitman (R): 49.21%
Senator Dianne Feinstein (D): 47.10%

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« Reply #4120 on: April 22, 2014, 09:42:28 PM »

The Battle of Vice-Presidents:
2000:

Fmr. VP Dan Quayle (R-IN)/Fmr. Secretary Elizabeth Dole (R-NC) 290EV 48%
VP Al Gore (D-TN)/Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-CT) 248EV 47%
Mr. Ralph Nader (P-CT)/Winona LaDuke (P-CA) 5%

2004:


Pres. Dan Quayle (R-IN)/VP. Elizabeth Dole (R-NC) 303EV 46%
General Wesley Clark (D-AR)/Fmr Maj. Leader Dick Gerhardt (D-MO) 45%
Rep. Dennis Kucinich (P-OH)/Rep. Bernie Sanders (P-VT) 9%
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« Reply #4121 on: April 23, 2014, 05:52:18 AM »

Oops, changed it for Whitman to win bigger.

Kentucky Gubernatorial 2011


Secretary of State Trey Grayson/Former Superintendant John Stephenson (R): 44.41%
Governor Steve Beshear/Lieutenant Governor Jerry Abramson (D): 44.01%
Author Jerry Abramson/Varied in many Counties (I): 9.10%
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« Reply #4122 on: April 24, 2014, 08:52:25 PM »



Vice President Richard Nixon (R-CA)/Ambassador Henry Lodge Jr. (R-MA) - 50.05%, 270 EV's
Senator John Kennedy (D-MA)/Majority Leader Lyndon Johnson (D-TX) - 49.22%, 259 EV's



President Richard Nixon (R-CA)/Vice President Henry Lodge Jr (R-MA) - 61.8%, 507 EV's
Senator Wayne Morse (D-OR)/Senator Eugene McCarthy (D-MN) - 36.8%, 31 EV's



Senator John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/Senator Hubert Humphrey (D-MN) - 46.8%, 330 EV's
Governor Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)/Governor Spiro Agnew (R-MD) - 44.2%, 191 EV's
Governor George Wallace (I-AL)/Colonel Sanders (I-KY) - 8.5%, 17 EV's

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« Reply #4123 on: April 25, 2014, 11:50:28 AM »

Liberalism's last Hurrah:


1968


Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy/Texas Senator Ralph Yarborough: 293 EV, 40.30%
New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller/Iowa Senator Jack Miller: 75 EV, 30%
Alabama Governor George Wallace/Former Agriculture Secretary Ezra Taft Benson: 170 EV, 28.10%

1972


President Ted Kennedy/VP Ralph Yarborough: 270 EV, 49.80%
Maryland Governor Spirio Agnew/Ohio Senator James Rhodes: 268 EV, 47%

1976


New York Senator James Buckley/Wisconsin Governor William Dyke: 372 EV, 54.20%
Massachusetts Governor Michael Dukais/Arizona Rep. Mo Udall: 166 EV, 45.30%

1980


Presdent James Buckley/VP William Dyke: 305 EV, 45.40%
Georgia Governor Jimmy Carter/New Jersey Governor Brendan Byrne: 233 EV, 45.49%
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« Reply #4124 on: April 25, 2014, 09:36:40 PM »



Vice President Richard Nixon (R-CA)/Ambassador Henry Lodge Jr. (R-MA) - 50.05%, 270 EV's
Senator John Kennedy (D-MA)/Majority Leader Lyndon Johnson (D-TX) - 49.22%, 259 EV's



President Richard Nixon (R-CA)/Vice President Henry Lodge Jr (R-MA) - 61.8%, 507 EV's
Senator Wayne Morse (D-OR)/Senator Eugene McCarthy (D-MN) - 36.8%, 31 EV's



Senator John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/Senator Hubert Humphrey (D-MN) - 46.8%, 330 EV's
Governor Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)/Governor Spiro Agnew (R-MD) - 44.2%, 191 EV's
Governor George Wallace (I-AL)/Colonel Sanders (I-KY) - 8.5%, 17 EV's



Does Nixon veto the CRA in this timeline?
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