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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #75 on: March 04, 2014, 04:12:28 PM »

Nonononononoon black turnout would never have been low enough to let McCain win PA.


Love the 2012 map tho Wink
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« Reply #76 on: March 13, 2014, 02:47:40 PM »
« Edited: March 13, 2014, 02:54:32 PM by badgate »

A Divergent America

1960


Texas Senator Lyndon B. Johnson / Massachusetts Senator John F. Kennedy - 250
Vice President Richard Nixon / Diplomat Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr. - 287


--President Nixon is assassinated in Dallas, 1963. Lodge, who does not like the Presidency and accepted VP out of duty, declines to run in 1964.--

1964


New York Senator Robert F. Kennedy / Minnesota Senator Hubert H. Humphrey - 265
Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater / New Hampshire Senator Norris Cotton - 273


--The Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act are not passed as in RL.--

1968


Alabama Governor George Wallace / Kentucky Senator Happy Chandler - 76
President Barry Goldwater / Vice President Norris Cotton - 355
Minnesota Senator Hubert H. Humphrey / Massachusetts Governor Endicott Peabody - 107



1972


Minnesota Senator Eugene McCarthy / Indiana Senator Birch Bayh - 278
California Congressman Pete McCloskey / Frmr. Texas Governor John Connally - 260


--The Civil Rights Act of 1973 and the Voting Rights Act of 1974 are signed into law by President McCarthy, greatly increasing turnout and transforming many states' political makeup.--

1976


President Eugene McCarthy / Vice President Birch Bayh - 378
Frmr. New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller / Speaker of the House Gerald Ford - 160



1980


Georgia Governor James E. Carter / California Governor Jerry Brown - 469
Massachusetts Senator Edward Brooke / Frmr. California Governor Ronald Reagan - 69



1984


President James E. Carter / Vice President Jerry Brown - 213
Frmr. California Governor Ronald Reagan / General Colin Powell - 325



1988


Frmr. Vice President Jerry Brown / Frmr. Sec. of State Jeanne Kirkpatrick - 291
President Ronald Reagan / Vice President Colin Powell - 247
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« Reply #77 on: March 13, 2014, 03:54:29 PM »

Just curious: would you stipulate that Muskie won in that '72 map because of Wallace or in spite of Wallace? Good maps!
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« Reply #78 on: March 22, 2014, 09:02:45 PM »

Do you mean Michelle Nunn?
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« Reply #79 on: March 23, 2014, 08:46:00 PM »

I'd like to think we'll have flipped Denton county by 2044. But I guess Dentonians just couldn't get behind Nunn's tax reform ideas
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« Reply #80 on: April 08, 2014, 11:45:32 PM »


Sandoval/Ayotte vs. Warner/Nunn in a strong GOP year.

Gene Taylor on the Dem ticket, perhaps.
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« Reply #81 on: April 18, 2014, 04:34:43 AM »
« Edited: April 19, 2014, 03:10:05 AM by badgate »

BUSH WINS '92

1992


California Governor Jerry Brown / Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton - 249
President George H.W. Bush / Vice President Dan Quayle - 276
Texan Ross Perot / James Stockdale - 13


--Kansas Senator Bob Dole beats Vice President Quayle in an extended and brutal primary.--

1996


Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton / Texas Governor Ann Richards - 267
Kansas Senator Bob Dole / Alan Keyes - 271


2000


Texas Governor Ann Richards / Tennessee Senator Al Gore, Jr. - 352
President Bob Dole / Vice President Alan Keyes - 186


--9/11 happens as in RL. America occupies Afghanistan and Osama bin Laden is captured in a remote mountain range in Feb., 2004.--

2004


President Ann Richards / Vice President Al Gore, Jr. - 308
Arizona Senator John McCain / Maine Senator Susan Collins - 230


--President Richards dies in 2006, as in RL. Gore becomes President and appoints Secretary of State John Kerry to be Vice President.--

--The financial crisis occurs as in RL. Up until the final weeks of the campaign, President Gore looked strongly favored.--


2008


President Al Gore, Jr. / Vice President John Kerry - 265
Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney / Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee - 273


2012


Vice President John Kerry / New York Senator Hillary Rodham - 272
President Mitt Romney / Vice President Mike Huckabee 266
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« Reply #82 on: April 20, 2014, 03:12:01 PM »

As promised here are the ORIGINAL maps for All Stand Down.

1988


Massachusetts Governor Mike Dukakis / Texas Senator Lloyd Bentsen - 112
Vice President George H. W. Bush / Indiana Senator Dan Quayle - 426


1992


Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton / Tennessee Senator Al Gore, Jr. - 370
President George H. W. Bush / Vice President Dan Quayle - 168


1996


Vice President Al Gore, Jr. / Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman - 280
Kansas Senator Bob Dole / Frmr. H.U.D. Secretary Jack Kemp - 249
Texas Independent Ross Perot / Pat Choate - 9


2000


President Al Gore, Jr. / Vice President Joe Lieberman - 267
Texas Governor George W. Bush / Frmr. Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney - 271


2004


Massachusetts Senator John Kerry / North Carolina Senator John Edwards - 232
Arizona Senator John McCain / Frmr. Oklahoma Rep. J.C. Watts - 306


2008


Illinois Senator Barack Obama / Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius - 325
Vice President J.C. Watts / Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee - 213


2012


New York Senator Hillary Clinton / Frmr. Indiana Senator Evan Bayh - 384
Frmr. Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney / Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan - 154


2016


New York Governor Andrew Cuomo / Florida Governor Alex Sink - 233
New Jersey Governor Chris Christie / Pennsylvania Senator Pat Toomey - 305


2020


Wisconsin Senator Tammy Baldwin / Pennsylvania Governor Joe Sestak - 271
President Chris Christie / Vice President Pat Toomey - 267


2024


President Tammy Baldwin / Vice President Joe Sestak* - 273**
Utah Governor Mia Love / Frmr. Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker - 265






*At the time, I was considering having Sestak be replaced when Baldwin ran for reelection, because of his age.
**The idea of Puerto Rican statehood had not come up at this point in the development, so its 7 electoral votes are not counted here.
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« Reply #83 on: April 28, 2014, 10:09:20 PM »
« Edited: April 29, 2014, 01:14:11 AM by badgate »

I'm curious about your 30% saturation states. Are there favorite son candidates in the Carolinas and Northeast? Or is there a single, pro-integration Democrat whom you did not list? Or is there another explanation?
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« Reply #84 on: May 08, 2014, 01:14:51 AM »

1976 Third-Party Scenario



West Virginia Senator Robert Byrd / Arkansas Congressman Wilbur Mills - 249
California Governor Ronald Reagan / Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater - 265
Congressman John Anderson / Vermont Senator Robert Stafford - 24





Premise from this thread.
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« Reply #85 on: May 12, 2014, 09:10:56 PM »

Governor Susanna Martinez/Senator Kelly Ayotte: 272 (49.3%)
Vice President Sherrod Brown/Senator Tammy Baldwin: 266 (49.2%)

That would be a heartbreaker for me.
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« Reply #86 on: May 12, 2014, 09:34:02 PM »
« Edited: May 12, 2014, 09:35:43 PM by badgate »



Frmr. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton / North Carolina Congressman Mike McIntyre - 340
Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan / Ohio Governor John Kasich - 198
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« Reply #87 on: May 17, 2014, 02:05:07 AM »

2000


Vice President Al Gore / Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman - 271, 49.99%
Texas Governor George W. Bush / Frmr. Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney - 267, 48.91%



2004


President Al Gore / Vice President Joe Lieberman - 275, 48.9%
Arizona Senator John McCain / Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney - 263, 48.7%



2008


Illinois Senator Barack Obama / Indiana Senator Evan Bayh - 349, 51.2%
Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee / Florida Governor Charlie Crist - 189, 46.8%



2012


President Barack Obama / Vice President Evan Bayh - 266, 48.7%
Governor Jon Huntsman / Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell - 272, 49.1%


2016


Frmr. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton / Missouri Governor Jay Nixon - 280, 50.6%
President Jon Huntsman / Vice President Bob McDonnell - 258, 47.4%


2020


President Hillary Clinton / Vice President Jay Nixon - 251, 47.1%
Kentucky Senator Rand Paul / Maine Senator Susan Collins - 287, 50.8%
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« Reply #88 on: May 17, 2014, 05:18:28 PM »

So, how could this happen? 284 R to 254 D




2008
Indiana Senator Evan Bayh / Georgia Senator Sam Nunn - 254
Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty / Utah Governor Jon Huntsman, Jr. - 284
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« Reply #89 on: May 18, 2014, 12:11:29 AM »

^Tough to determine how an IRL 2004 recall would go.
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« Reply #90 on: May 21, 2014, 02:18:51 AM »
« Edited: May 21, 2014, 02:26:53 AM by badgate »

1976-2004: Democratic Dominance to Dissonance
The 22nd Amendment limits the President to 3 full 4-year terms.

1976


√Georgia Governor James E. Carter / Minnesota Senator Walter Mondale - 297
President Gerald Ford / Vice President Nelson Rockefeller - 241


1980


√President James E. Carter / Vice President Walter Mondale - 296
Frmr. U.N. Ambassador George H.W. Bush / Frmr. President Gerald Ford - 242


1984


√President James E. Carter / Tennessee Senator Al Gore, Jr. - 334
New Jersey Governor Tom Keane / Oklahoma Governor Jeanne Kirkpatrick - 204


1988


Vice President Al Gore, Jr. / California Governor Jerry Brown - 254
√Kansas Senator Bob Dole / Frmr. Sec. of Defense Donald Rumsfeld - 284


1992


√Frmr. Vice President Al Gore, Jr. / Arkansas Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton - 326; 46%
President Bob Dole / Vice President Donald Rumsfeld - 212; 44%
Texas Businessman Ross Perot / James Stockdale - 0; 10%


1996


President Al Gore, Jr. / Vice President Hillary R. Clinton - 264
√Frmr. President Bob Dole / Frmr. General Colin Powell - 274


2000


Missouri Representative Dick Gephardt / Frmr. Colorado Senator Gary Hart - 212
√President Bob Dole / Vice President Colin Powell - 326


2004


Vermont Governor Howard Dean / North Carolina Senator John Edwards - 153
√Vice President Colin Powell / Texas Governor George W. Bush - 385




Presidents of the United States
39. James E. Carter - Georgia; 1977-1989
40. Bob Dole - Kansas; 1989-1993
41. Al Gore, Jr. - Tennessee; 1993-1997
42. Bob Dole - Kansas; 1997-2005
43. Colin Powell - New York; 2005-? ? ? ?

Vice Presidents of the United States
42. Walter Mondale - Minnesota; 1977-1985
43. Al Gore, Jr. - Tennessee; 1985-1989
44. Donald Rumsfeld - Illinois; 1989-1993
45. Hillary Rodham Clinton - Arkansas; 1993-1997
46. Colin Powell - New York; 1997-2005
47. George W. Bush - Texas; 2005-? ? ? ?
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« Reply #91 on: May 21, 2014, 03:32:49 AM »
« Edited: May 23, 2014, 06:07:39 PM by badgate »

2008-2032: The Fall of the Republican Empire

2008


Frmr. Vice President Hillary R. Clinton / Massachusetts Senator John Kerry - 219
√President Colin Powell / Vice President George W. Bush - 319


2012


Missouri Governor Jay Nixon / New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand - 267
√President Colin Powell / Florida Senator Marco Rubio - 271


2016


√New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand / Illinois Senator Barack Obama - 286
Vice President Marco Rubio / Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker - 252


2020


√President Kirsten Gillibrand / Vice President Barack Obama - 357
Kentucky Senator Rand Paul / South Carolina Senator Tim Scott - 181


2024


√Vice President Barack Obama / Kentucky Senator Alison L. Grimes - ~453
Speaker of the House Paul Ryan / Oklahoma Senator Mary Fallin - ~85


2028


√President Barack Obama / Vice President Alison L. Grimes - ~340
Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton / Colorado Senator Cory Gardner - ~198


2032


√President Barack Obama / Georgia Governor Jason Carter - ~352
New Hampshire Senator Kelly Ayotte / Oklahoma Governor T.W. Shannon - ~186



Presidents of the United States
39. James E. Carter - Georgia; 1977-1989
40. Bob Dole - Kansas; 1989-1993
41. Al Gore, Jr. - Tennessee; 1993-1997
42. Bob Dole - Kansas; 1997-2005
43. Colin Powell - New York; 2005-2017
44. Kirsten Gillibrand - New York; 2017-2025
45. Barack Obama - Illinois; 2025-2037

Vice Presidents of the United States
42. Walter Mondale - Minnesota; 1977-1985
43. Al Gore, Jr. - Tennessee; 1985-1989
44. Donald Rumsfeld - Illinois; 1989-1993
45. Hillary Rodham Clinton - Arkansas; 1993-1997
46. Colin Powell - New York; 1997-2005
47. George W. Bush - Texas; 2005-2013
48. Marco Rubio - Florida; 2013-2017
49. Barack Obama - Illinois; 2017-2025
50. Alison L. Grimes - Kentucky ; 2025-2033
51. Jason Carter - Georgia; 2033-2037
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« Reply #92 on: May 22, 2014, 12:30:49 AM »
« Edited: May 23, 2014, 06:19:33 PM by badgate »

XXII
the President and Vice President shall serve terms of six years duration. The President shall be limited to two non-consecutive terms, and the Vice President is not limited but can also not serve consecutive terms.

1952


Illinois Governor Adlai Stevenson / Alabama Senator John Sparkman - 89
General Dwight Eisenhower / California Senator Richard Nixon - 442


1958


Texas Senator Lyndon B. Johnson / Minnesota Senator Hubert H. Humphrey - 319
Vice President Richard Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr. - 212



*--President Johnson is shot in Dallas, four and a half years into his Presidency. Vice President Humphrey attempts to run for reelection after becoming President, but a confusing wording in the 22nd Amendment leads to a court challenge. On Jan. 29, 1964, the Supreme Court ruled that Humphrey could not run for President that year, but was eligible in 1970. New York Senator Robert Kennedy wins the lengthy primary battle, and selects --*


1964


New York Senator Robert Kennedy / Tennessee Senator Albert Gore, Sr. - 267
Frmr. Vice President Richard Nixon / Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater - 264
Unpledged Electors - 7


*--Congress elects the Democratic ticket.--*

1970


Frmr. President Hubert H. Humphrey / Oklahoma Senator Fred Harris - 253
New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller / Texas Senator George H.W. Bush - 285


1976


Georgia Governor James E. Carter / New York Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm - 230
Vice President George H.W. Bush / Speaker of the House Gerald Ford - 308


1982


Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy / Colorado Senator Gary Hart - 277
Vice President Gerald Ford / Kansas Senator Bob Dole - 261


1988


New York Governor Mario Cuomo / Illinois Senator Jesse Jackson - 313
Frmr. Illinois Senator and Frmr. Sec. of Defense Donald Rumsfeld / New York Congressman Jack Kemp - 225


1994


Tennessee Governor Al Gore, Jr. / Attorney General Hillary Rodham Clinton - 237
Frmr. President George H.W. Bush / California Governor Pete Wilson - 301





Presidents of the United States
34. Dwight D. Eisenhower - New York - 1953-1959
35. Lyndon B. Johnson - Texas - 1959-1963
36. Hubert H. Humphrey - Minnesota - 1963-1965
37. Robert F. Kennedy - New York - 1965-1971
38. Nelson Rockefeller - New York - 1971-1977
39. George H.W. Bush - Texas - 1977-1983
40. Ted Kennedy - Massachusetts - 1983-1989
41. Mario Cuomo - New York - 1989-1995
42. George H.W. Bush - Texas - 1995-2001

Vice Presidents of the United States
36. Richard Nixon - California - 1953-1959
37. Hubert H. Humphrey - Minnesota - 1959-1963
--vacant from Nov. 1963-Jan.1965
38. Al Gore, Sr. - Tennessee - 1965-1971
39. George H.W. Bush - Texas - 1971-1977
40. Gerald Ford - Michigan - 1977-1983
41. Gary Hart - Colorado - 1983-1989
42. Jesse Jackson - Illinois - 1989-1995
43. Pete Wilson - California - 1995-2001
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« Reply #93 on: June 03, 2014, 04:28:31 AM »

1960 - Nixon Wins!


Massachusetts Senator John F. Kennedy / Texas Senator Lyndon B. Johnson - 234
Vice President Richard Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr.; 303


1964: 16 Years & Counting: The Republican Reign of the 20th Century


Texas Senator Lyndon B. Johnson / Minnesota Senator Eugene McCarthy - 250
President Richard Nixon / Vice President Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr.; 288


1968: Deadlocked Nation


Alabama Governor George Wallace / Kentucky Senator Happy Chandler - 145
Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater / Pennsylvania Governor William Scranton - 194
Minnesota Senator Hubert H. Humphrey / Maine Senator Edmund Muskie - 199
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« Reply #94 on: June 16, 2014, 11:28:28 PM »

I could see Bill Clinton knocking McCain out in the 2000 debates. Problem is the relatively good economy at the time.
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« Reply #95 on: June 17, 2014, 03:36:41 PM »

Inspired by my short list perhaps?
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« Reply #96 on: June 25, 2014, 12:16:38 AM »

2016



Frmr. Sec. of State Hillary Clinton / Frmr. Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley - 302
Frmr. Florida Governor Jeb Bush / Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin - 236
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« Reply #97 on: June 29, 2014, 09:25:58 PM »

Are 2004 and 2008 identical on purpose? That would be historical
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« Reply #98 on: July 08, 2014, 01:26:47 AM »

2016: Young Guns



New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand / Missouri Governor Jay Nixon - 295
Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker / North Carolina Governor Pat McCrory - 243
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« Reply #99 on: July 09, 2014, 10:17:44 PM »

If you think that's strange check out his 2008 map.
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