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« Reply #3825 on: September 04, 2013, 07:57:38 pm »

1992-2048: The Era of Democratic Dominance

1992


Governor Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Senator Al Gore (D-TN): 370 EV
President George H.W. Bush (R-TX)/Vice President Dan Quayle (R-IN): 168 EV

1996


President Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Vice President Al Gore (D-TN): 379 EV
Senator Bob Dole (R-KS)/Former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Jack Kemp (R-NY): 159 EV

2000


Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)/Former Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney (R-WY): 271 EV
Vice President Al Gore (D-TN)/Senator Joe Lieberman (D-CT): 267 EV

2004



President George W. Bush (R-TX)/Vice President Dick Cheney (R-WY): 286 EV
Senator John Kerry (D-MA)/Senator John Edwards (D-NC): 252 EV

2008


Senator Barack Obama (D-IL)/Senator Joe Biden (D-DE): 365 EV
Senator John McCain (R-AZ)/Governor Sarah Palin (R-AK): 173 EV

2012


President Barack Obama (D-IL)/Vice President Joe Biden (D-DE): 332 EV
Former Governor Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Congressman Paul Ryan (R-WI): 206 EV

2016


Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Senator Mark Warner (D-VA): 313 EV
Governor Chris Christie (R-NJ)/Governor Susana Martinez (R-NM): 225 EV

2020

Former Governor Scott Walker (R-WI)/Senator Kelly Ayotte (R-NH): 279 EV
Vice President Mark Warner (D-VA)/Senator Kay Hagan (D-NC): 259 EV

2024


Senator Sherrod Brown (D-OH)/Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY): 396 EV
President Scott Walker (R-WI)/Vice President Kelly Ayotte (R-NH): 142 EV

2028


Vice President Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)/Governor Julian Castro1 (D-TX): 366 EV
Senator Pam Bondi2 (R-FL)/Senator Mike Lee (R-UT): 172 EV

2032


President Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)/Vice President Julian Castro (D-TX): 481 EV
Senator Mike Lee (R-UT)/Governor Patrick McHenry (R-NC)3: 57 EV
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« Reply #3826 on: September 04, 2013, 07:58:09 pm »

2036


Vice President Julian Castro (D-TX)/Senator Alison Lundergan Grimes (D-KY)4: 504 EV
Governor Sara Howard (R-NE)5/Senator Dave Hildenbrand (R-MI)6: 34 EV

2040


President Julian Castro (D-TX)/Vice President Alison Lundergan Grimes (D-KY): 522 EV
Governor Art Linares (R-CT)7/Senator Mia Love (R-UT)8: 16 EV

2044


Governor Takashi Ohno (D-HI)9/Senator Justin Chenette (D-ME)10: 407 EV
Congressman Trey Joy (R-KS)11/Senate Minority Leader Will Weatherford12(R-FL): 131 EV

2048



Senator Joshua Putnam (R-SC)13/Governor Derek Merrin (R-OH)14
President Takashi Ohno (D-HI)/Vice President Justin Chenette (D-ME): 221 EV

2052


President Joshua Putnam (R-SC)/Vice President Derek Merrin (R-OH): 410 EV
Former Governor Justin Seese (D-PA)15/Congreswoman Sasha Obama (D-IL)16: 128 EV

1Elected Governor of Texas in 2018
2Elected U.S. Senator from Florida in 2018
3Elected Governor of North Carolina in 2028
4Elected U.S. Senator from Kentucky in 2014
5Elected Governor of Nebraska in 2030
6Elected U.S. Senator from Michigan in 2018
7Elected Governor of Connecticut in 2034
8Elected U.S. Senator from Utah in 2018
9Elected Governor of Hawaii in 2038
10Elected U.S. Senator from Maine in 2024
11Elected Congressman from Kansas's 1st District in 2030
12Elected U.S. Senator from Florida in 2030; Elected Senate Minority Leader in 2040
13Elected U.S. Senator from South Carolina in 2040
14Elected Governor of Ohio in 2042
15Served as Governor of Pennsylvania from 2038-2046
16Elected Congresswoman from Illinois' 2nd Congressional District in 2044
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« Reply #3827 on: September 04, 2013, 08:25:49 pm »

Awesome map series! I"m impressed that you changed all the electoral votes too; I'm planning on doing that for the election at the end of my TL. But FYI I have read that OH and NC are both going to be 17 electoral votes in the 2020s.. if you care Tongue


I'd love to see the 2056 map; I wanna know if Sasha wins!!!
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« Reply #3828 on: September 04, 2013, 08:48:23 pm »

Awesome map series! I"m impressed that you changed all the electoral votes too; I'm planning on doing that for the election at the end of my TL. But FYI I have read that OH and NC are both going to be 17 electoral votes in the 2020s.. if you care Tongue


I'd love to see the 2056 map; I wanna know if Sasha wins!!!

Thanks for the feedback! Just so you know, for the 2020s electoral votes, I used the projections in this article:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/12/28/what_2010_census_tells_us_about_2020_reapportionment.html

And for the rest, I just kind of guessed/made random decisions.

I'm not sure I'll continue, because it was a ton of work finding super young Mayors/state legislators to fill all the candidacies. Every candidate in every election I did is a real person currently in politics, mostly young Mayors and young State Senators/State Representatives.
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« Reply #3829 on: September 06, 2013, 02:49:13 pm »

2016



Hillary Clinton/Mark Warner 54.6% 390 EV
Ted Cruz/Pat McCrory 43.9% 148 EV

2020



Hillary Clinton/Mark Warner 50.2% 323 EV
Rand Paul/Mary Fallin 48.4% 215 EV
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« Reply #3830 on: September 06, 2013, 11:56:22 pm »

I'm a little offended that a ticket with Mary f[michigan] Fallin would do this well Wink
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« Reply #3831 on: September 15, 2013, 02:40:31 pm »

Sec. Hillary Clinton/Sen. Mark Warner: 288 (50.49%)
Sen. Marco Rubio/Gov. Jon Huntsman: 250 (48.29%)

Sen. Kelly Ayotte/Gov. Mike Pence: 278 (50.05%)
Vice Pres. Mark Warner/Sen. Cory Booker: 260 (48.51%)

Pres. Kelly Ayotte/Vice Pres. Mike Pence: 271 (49.75%)
Sen. Allison Grimes/Gov. Julian Castro: 267 (48.47%)

Gov. Julian Castro/Gov. Gavin Newsom: 300 (50.90%)
Gov. Scott Walker/Sen. Nikki Haley: 238 (47.99%)


Pres. Julian Castro/Vice Pres. Gavin Newsom: 391 (54.65%)
Sen. Tom Cotton/Schock: 147 (43.89%)
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« Reply #3832 on: September 20, 2013, 04:24:52 pm »

Vice Pres. Gore/Sen. Bradley: 350 (51.1%)
Sen. McCain/Gov. Kean: 188 (45.9%)
Other: 2.9%

Pres. Gore/Vice Pres. Bradley: 275 (49.4%)
Gov. Bush/Mayor Giuliani: 263 (49.3%)
Other: 1.3%

Mayor Giuliani/Gov. Huckabee: 400 (53.7%)
Vice Pres. Bradley/Gov. Dean: 138 (43.9%)
Other: 2.4%

Pres. Giuliani/Vice Pres. Huckabee: 337 (51.6%)
Gov. Richardson/Gov. O'Malley: 201 (46.8%)
Other: 1.6%

Gov. Clinton/Gov. Schweitzer: 293 (50.2%)
Vice Pres. Huckabee/Sen. Ayotte: 245 (48.4%)
Other: 1.4%
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« Reply #3833 on: September 21, 2013, 01:41:16 am »
« Edited: September 22, 2013, 02:25:16 am by badgate »



1988


Governor Mike Dukakis / Senator Lloyd Bentsen - 270
Vice President George H. W. Bush / Senator Dan Quayle - 268


1992


President Mike Dukakis / Vice President Lloyd Bentsen - 307
Congressman Jack Kemp / Governor Pete Wilson - 194
Businessman Ross Perot / James Stockdale - 37


1996


Governor Ann Richards / Governor Bill Clinton - 375
Senator Bob Dole / Conservative Pat Buchanan - 163

2000


President Ann Richards / Vice President Bill Clinton - 281
Senator George W. Bush / Speaker of the House Dick Cheney - 257


2004


Vice President Bill Clinton / Senator Russ Feingold - 238
Senator Olympia Snowe / Senator Arlen Specter - 300

2008 (no financial crisis)


Senator Joe Biden / Senator John Edwards - 200
President Olympia Snowe / Vice President Arlen Specter - 338


2012 (financial crisis of 2008 brought on by weak European austerity)


Senator Hillary Clinton / Senator Barack Obama - 372
Governor Mitt Romney / Senator Marco Rubio - 166


2016


President Hillary Clinton / Vice President Barack Obama - 293
Governor Christopher Christie / Governor Susanna Martinez - 245


2020


Vice President Barack Obama / Senator Brian Schweitzer - 391
Senator Tom Cotton / Majority Leader Paul Ryan - 147

2024


President Barack Obama / Vice President Brian Schweitzer - 237
Former UN Ambassador Jon Huntsman, Jr. / Senator Kelly Ayotte - 301


2028


Senator Martin O'Malley / Governor Debbie Wasserman-Schultz - 182
President Jon Huntsman, Jr. / Vice President Kelly Ayotte - 356
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« Reply #3834 on: September 22, 2013, 01:39:56 am »
« Edited: September 22, 2013, 01:57:34 am by badgate »




Former Vice President John Hoynes - 14 states; 129 electoral votes
Vice President Robert Russell - 24 states; 195 electoral votes
Congressman Matthew Santos - 12 states + D.C.; 214 electoral votes
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« Reply #3835 on: September 22, 2013, 10:33:11 am »

2012:
Romney/Ryan: 269 (49.3%)
Obama/Biden: 269 (49.2%)

Romney: 28
Obama: 19
Abstain: 3

Senate Elects Biden

2016:
Romney/Rubio: 272 (49.9%)
Biden/Warner: 266 (48.7%)

or...
Clinton/Warner: 288 (50.3%)
Romney/Rubio: 250 (48.5%)
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« Reply #3836 on: September 23, 2013, 03:31:33 pm »

2016


Christie/Rubio  302 (50.0%)
Schweitzer/Warren  236 (48.7%)
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« Reply #3837 on: September 28, 2013, 12:49:13 pm »

Nixon's Early Resignation and Timelinus Odditus

Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew, Vacant 1969-1973
Carl Albert/Nelson Rockefeller 1973-1975


1974


Senator Mo Udall D-AZ/Senator Walter Mondale D-MN 330 EVS
Vice President Nelson Rockefeller R-NY/Governor Ronald Reagan R-CA 208 EVS

1978


Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole R-KS/Former CIA Director George HW Bush R-TX 464 EVS
President Mo Udall D-NM/Vice President Walter Mondale D-MN 93 EVS

Bob Dole/George HW Bush 1979-1981
George HW Bush/Ronald Reagan 1981-198?

1982

President George HW Bush R-TX/Governor Ronald Reagan R-CA 467 EVS
Former Governor Jimmy Carter D-GA/Senator Thomas Eagleton D-MO 71 EVS

1986

Vice President Ronald Reagan R-CA/Former Senator Howard Baker R-TN  535 EVS
Reverend Jesse Jackson Sr D-SC/Governor Bill Clinton D-AR 3 EVS

1990


Governor John Danforth R-MO/Senator Dan Quayle R-IN 295 EVS
Congresswoman Geraldine Ferraro D-NY/Senator Al Gore D-TN 243 EVS

1994


Governor Jerry Brown D-CA/Senator Al Gore D-TN 287 EVS
President John Danforth R-MO/Vice President Dan Quayle R-IN 249 EVS

1998

President Gerry Brown D-CA/Vice President Al Gore D-TN 357 EVS
Senator John McCain III R-AZ/Congressman Jack Kemp R-NY 181 EVS

2002

Governor Jeb Bush R-FL/Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison R-TX 279 EVS
Senator John Edwards D-NC/Senator John Kerry D-MA 259 EVS

2006

Senator Hillary Clinton D-NY/Senator Joe Biden D-DE 338 EVS
President Jeb Bush R-FL/Vice President Kay Bailey Huchison R-TX 200 EVS

2010

Senator Judd Gregg R-NH/Governor Jon Huntsman R-UT 290 EVS
Secretary of State Barack Obama D-IL/Senator Mark Warner D-VA 248 EVS

2014

President Judd Gregg R-NH/Congressman Paul Ryan R-WI 357 EVS
Governor Charlie Crist D-FL/Governor John Hickenlooper D-CO 181 EVS

2018


Secretary of Education Luis Fortuno (NP)R-PU/Governor Susana Martinez R-NM 272 EVS
Senator Mary Landrieu D-LA/House Minority Leader Alan Grayson D-FL 266 EVS

 
2022

Puerto Rico

President Luis Fortuno R-PU/Vice President Susana Martinez R-NM ~340 EVS
Governor Gavin Newsom D-CA/Senator Kirsten Gillibrand D-NY ~200 EVS

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« Reply #3838 on: September 29, 2013, 12:20:00 am »

2016



Christie/Walker 303 (50.4%)
Clinton/Warner 235 (48.9%)

2020



Warren/Heinrich 396 (55.7%)
Christie/Walker 142 (42.4%)

2024


Warren/Heinrich 479 (60.1%)

Capito/Hoeven 59 (38.8%)
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« Reply #3839 on: September 29, 2013, 04:34:02 pm »
« Edited: October 04, 2013, 02:27:43 pm by #look ma'--no Government! »

I'm doin' something like what Badgate did here:




Former Vice President John Hoynes - 14 states; 129 electoral votes
Vice President Robert Russell - 24 states; 195 electoral votes
Congressman Matthew Santos - 12 states + D.C.; 214 electoral votes

So here's my version... Ladies and Gentlemen, BEHOLD THE 2018 REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES!!!:

For January:



Former Governor Bob McDonnell - 1 State (so far); 6 electorals
Secretary of Education Luis Fortuno - 2 States (so far); 12 electorals
Senator Rand Paul
Senator Ted Cruz
Secretary of Treasury Mitt Romney
Former Governor Bobby Jindal
Governor Chris Christie
Senator Marco Rubio

In February:



Secretary of Education Luis Fortuno - 3 States (so far); 18 electorals
Former Governor Bob McDonnell - 2 States (so far); 13 electorals
Senator Rand Paul - 1 State (so far); 11 electorals
Former Governor Bobby Jindal - 1 State (so far); 15 electorals
Senator Ted Cruz
Governor Chris Christie
Secretary of Treasury Mitt Romney
Senator Marco Rubio

In March:


Secretary of Education Luis Fortuno - 8 States (so far); 69 electorals
Senator Rand Paul - 7 States (so far); 59 electorals
Former Governor Bob McDonnell - 6 States (so far); 46 electorals
Former Governor Bobby Jindal - 1 State; 15 electorals
Senator Ted Cruz
Governor Chris Christie
Secretary of Treasury Mitt Romney
Senator Marco Rubio

April-July:


Secretary of Education Luis Fortuno - 17 states (so far); 180 electorals
Senator Rand Paul - 14 States (so far); 191 electorals
Former Governor Bob McDonnell - 11 States (so far); 82 electorals
Former Governor Bobby Jindal 1 State; 15 electorals
Senator Ted Cruz
Secretary of Treasury Mitt Romney
Senator Marco Rubio



Senator Rand Paul - 18 States (so far); 207 electorals
Secretary of Education Luis Fortuno - 17 States (so far); 186 electorals
Former Governor Bob McDonnell - 15 States (so far); 130 electorals
Former Governor Bobby Jindal
Senator Ted Cruz
Secretary of Treasury Mitt Romney
Senator Marco Rubio

RNC Convention: First Ballot:



Senator Rand Paul - 17 States; 207 electorals
Secretary of Education Luis Fortuno - 15 States; 201 electorals
Former Governor Bob McDonnell - 11 States; 130 electorals

RNC Convention: Second Ballot:

Senator Rand Paul - 27 states; 269 electorals
Secretary of Education Luis Fortuno - 23 states; 269 electorals
Former Governor Bob McDonnell

(a lot of delegates voted for Paul or Fortuno because they chose him over McDonnell, but because McDonnell decided to end his campaign, they all voted with their hearts)

President Gregg makes speech asking Rand Paul to put politics aside and to instead go behind Fortuno....

RNC Convention: Fourth Ballot:



FORTUNO NOMINATED FOR PRESIDENT!

FORTUNO SELECTS MARTINEZ AS VEEP!

And that's how Fortuno was nominated on the fourth ballot when he lost the last three...
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« Reply #3840 on: September 29, 2013, 07:48:16 pm »


Ah, yes, with all his foreign policy experience, Romney would be great for this job! It's too bad he doesn't have any business experience that he likes to talk about, so he couldn't be nominated as Secretary of Treasury or Commerce in a Republican administration.
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« Reply #3841 on: September 29, 2013, 07:56:20 pm »


Ah, yes, with all his foreign policy experience, Romney would be great for this job! It's too bad he doesn't have any business experience that he likes to talk about, so he couldn't be nominated as Secretary of Treasury or Commerce in a Republican administration.

Fixed.
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« Reply #3842 on: October 03, 2013, 08:27:28 pm »

2016: Scenarios (1)

Clinton/Warner: 283 (50.6%)
Martinez/Christie: 255 (48.1%)
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« Reply #3843 on: October 03, 2013, 11:07:21 pm »
« Edited: October 03, 2013, 11:09:08 pm by Adam Christopher FitzGerald »

2016 Likely Scenario:



Fmr. Sec. of State Hillary Clinton of New York/Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio - 375 EVs (56.8%)
Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky/Sen. Mike Lee of Utah - 163 EVs(41.3%)

Although Christie is going to be the underdog that the people want to win the 2016 GOP primary, 2012 gave good light that the Republican field will be filled with nobody but Tea Party idiots again in 2016 and while I think Christie could possibly win the popular, Paul will get the delegates for the nomination. It would be no surprise either then that he would pick one of the other 3 Stooges (Lee or Cruz), but simply because Cruz is starting to actually become an enemy of the Tea Party, Paul might be convinced to pick Lee instead.

Hillary I imagine then would pick someone who's of the opposite sex, is a fierce liberal like her, and is especially from a big, swing state. It could end up being Mark Warner, Michael Bennet, or his name has never mentioned for the job, but if he wins the Governorship in 2014, Ed FitzGerald could even be a better nominee than Brown to bring those young voters out.
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« Reply #3844 on: October 06, 2013, 08:35:40 am »

Clinton/Warner: 295 (50.3%)
Snowe/Rubio: 243 (48.4%)
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« Reply #3845 on: October 14, 2013, 01:07:53 pm »

Should be fairly obvious.  Reps 261, Dems 277.

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« Reply #3846 on: October 15, 2013, 12:22:00 am »
« Edited: October 15, 2013, 12:48:23 am by Feudalcon »

1808 Presidential Race

President George Clinton (Independent/Fusion-New York) 161 electoral votes, 88% of the popualr vote
Unpledged Electors (Federalist) 10 electoral votes, 12% of the popular vote

1808 Vice Presidential Race

Senator John Quincy Adams (Federalist-Massachusetts) 115 electoral votes
Senator Stephen Bradley (Independent/Fusion-Vermont) 35 electoral votes
Vice President James Monroe (Republican-Virginia) 21 electoral votes

1812 Presidential Race

Former Vice President James Monroe (Republican-Virginia) 116 electoral votes, 51% of the popular vote
President John Quincy Adams (Federalist-Massachusetts) 99 electoral votes, 49% of the popular vote

1812 Vice Presidential Race

Former Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (Republican-Pennsylvania) 116 electoral votes
Former Mayor DeWitt Clinton (Fusion-New York) 56 electoral votes
U.S. Minister to Great Britain Rufus King (Federalist-New York) 43 electoral votes

1816 Presidential Race

Former Mayor DeWitt Clinton (Fusion-New York) 92 electoral votes, 38.1% of the popular vote
Former Senator Andrew Jackson (Republican-Tennessee) 87 electoral votes, 33.33% of the popular vote
Former President John Quincy Adams (Federalist-Massachusetts) 39 electoral votes, 28.6% of the popular vote
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« Reply #3847 on: October 17, 2013, 12:02:03 pm »
« Edited: October 17, 2013, 09:01:17 pm by Michaelf7777777 »

Elections from a timeline where Carter is assasinated by John Hinckley in October 1980

1980



Walter Mondale/ Lawton Chiles - 270 EV's
Ronald Reagan/ George HW Bush - 268 EV's

1984



Walter Mondale/ Lawton Chiles - 418 EV's
Bob Dole/ Pete Wilson - 120 EV's

1988



George HW Bush/ Jack Kemp - 275 EV's
Lawton Chiles/ Mike Dukakis - 263 EV's

1992



Jerry Brown/ Bill Clinton - 276 EV's
George HW Bush/ Jack Kemp - 243 EV's
Ross Perot/ James Stockdale - 19 EV's

1996



Jerry Brown/ Bill Clinton - 330 EV's
Jack Kemp/ Pete Wilson - 208 EV's

2000



Bill Clinton/ Mary Landrieu - 371 EV's
George W Bush/ Dick Cheney - 167 EV's

2004



Bill Clinton/ Mary Landrieu - 329 EV's
Colin Powell/ Rudy Guiliani - 209 EV's

2008



John McCain/ Kay Bailey Hutchinson - 286 EV's
Barack Obama/ Joe Biden - 252 EV's

2012



Mary Landrieu/ Brian Schweitzer - 424 EV's
John McCain/ Kay Bailey Hutchinson - 114 EV's
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« Reply #3848 on: October 17, 2013, 12:45:18 pm »

Should be fairly obvious.  Reps 261, Dems 277.


2016: Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)/Former Governor Mike Beebe (D-AR) vs Senator John Hoeven (R-ND)/Governor Greg Abbott (R-TX)?
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« Reply #3849 on: October 17, 2013, 03:38:15 pm »

Should be fairly obvious.  Reps 261, Dems 277.


2016: Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)/Former Governor Mike Beebe (D-AR) vs Senator John Hoeven (R-ND)/Governor Greg Abbott (R-TX)?

He used the 2004/2008 EV #s.

Crap!  I actually meant it to be a 2016 but I guess the calc was on the wrong setting and I didn't notice!

Also, despite my love of Gillibrand, it isn't her.  Was supposed to be worse case scenario for Clinton in 2016 while still winning.
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