Fear and Loathing in 72’ – The Election Game (GM Vacancy)

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No more than one or two hours left here.

Will post in about an hour. Sorry, just trying to get my details all straightened out!

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McGovern Campaign Schedule, Apr 18 - May 6, 1972

Tuesday, Apr 18: MASSACHUSETTS
Boston - Policy Speech on "Economic Justice For All"
Salem - Barnstorming
Springfield - Town Hall

Boston, MA

Wednesday, Apr 19: MASSACHUSETTS
Cambridge - Policy Speech on "Social Security: Protect Our Seniors"
Lowell - Barnstorming
Framingham - Town Hall

Thursday, Apr 20:  MASSACHUSETTS
Worcester - Policy Speech on ""A Guaranteed Job For All Americans"
Quincy - Barnstorming
Newton - Town Hall

Friday, Apr 21: MASSACHUSETTS/VERMONT
Boston - Canvass With Volunteers; Door to Door
Brattleboro - Town Hall
Rutland City - Town Hall

Saturday, Apr 22: VERMONT
Burlington - Policy Speech on "Economic Justice For All"
Stowe - Barnstorming
Bennington (I thought they and Burlington were the same place until I looked them up) - Town Hall

Burlington, VT

Sunday, Apr 23: VERMONT/PENNSYLVANIA
Montpelier - Final Speech To Campaign Volunteers
Lancaster - Town Hall
Allentown - Barnstorming

Monday, Apr 24: PENNSYLVANIA
Philidelphia - Policy Speech on "Protecting Collective Bargaining Rights for All"
Harrisburg - Town Hall
Erie - Barnstorming

Philidelphia, PA

Tuesday, Apr 25: PENNSYLVANIA/MASSACHUSETTS
Pittsburgh - Final Speech to Campaign Volunteers
Scranton - Town Hall
Boston - Final Speech to Campaign Volunteers

Wednesday, Apr 26: WASHINGTON D.C. (Neighborhoods)
Downtown - Policy Speech on "Tax Reform: Stop Shifting The Tax Burden to the Working People"
Georgetown - Policy Speech on "Vietnam: Withdraw On Day One"
Glover Park - Barnstorming
Columbia Heights - Barnstorming

Washington, DC

Thursday, Apr 27: WASHINGTON D.C./INDIANA
Congressional Duties - (Including Testifying On Vietnam)
Lafayette - Town Hall
Muncie - Barnstorming

Friday, Apr 28: INDIANA
Indianapolis - Policy Speech on "Lowering Uneployment: Stimulating the Economy"
Gary - Town Hall
Michigan City - Barnstorming

Indianapolis, IN

Saturday, Apr 29:  INDIANA
Fort Wayne -Policy Speech on "Re-establishing Fair Labor-Management Relations"
Evansville - Barnstorming
South Bend - Barnstorming

Sunday, Apr 30: INDIANA
Bloomington - Policy Speech on "Aspirations For Us, And Our Children"
Terre Haute - Barnstorming
Carmel - Town Hall

Bloomington, IN

Monday, Apr 31: INDIANA/OHIO
Indianapolis - Final Speech to Campaign Volunteers
Dayton - Barnstorming
Toledo - Town Hall

Tuesday, May 1: OHIO
Cincinnati - Policy Speech on "The Right to Comprehensive Health Services"
Cleveland - Policy Speech on "Fair Taxation: No More Loopholes"
Canton - Town Hall

Cincinnati, OH

Wednesday, May 2: OHIO/WASHINGTON D.C.
Columbus - Final Speech To Campaign Volunteers
Washington D.C. - Final Speech to Campaign Volunteers

Thursday, May 3: NORTH DAKOTA
Grand Forks - Policy Speech on "Enforce the Equal Pay Act . . . NOW"
Minot - Barnstorming
Dickinson - Town Hall

Friday, May 4: NORTH DAKOTA
Bismarck - Policy Speech on "Protecting the Rights to Unionize Among Farm Workers"
West Fargo - Town Hall
Fargo - Final Speech To Campaign Volunteers

Bismarck, ND

Saturday, May 5:  LOUISIANA/CALIFORNIA
Baton Rogue - Policy Speech on "Restoring Our Democracy: Equal Rights Before the Law"
New Orleans - Final Speech to Campaign Volunteers
Sacremento - Policy Speech on "Abolish The Draft. NOW."

Baton Rouge, LA

Sunday, May 6: CALIFORNIA/WASHINGTON D.C.
Los Angeles - Policy Speech on "Protecting the Vulnerable Among Us: Pursuing Children's Rights"
San Francisco - Policy Speech on "The Need for City's Self-Determination: Supporting Local Initiatives"
Washington D.C. - Congressional Duties

San Francisco, CA

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Well, I'd say "sh*tty" and "detestable" is clear enough on the opposition. A bit too harsh for my taste, but clear, xD

But no hard feelings, I will leave that idea on the backburner should I ever make another timeline like this (as there are people opposed, making the excercise somewhat pointless).

That's it for this turn, I'll start calculating results and post them as they go.

Good Luck Fellow Candidates!

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Wow, congrats to Ypestis!

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Nice Job, Lumine. As you always do.

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May I ask for an extension until tomorrow evening?

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May I ask for an extension until tomorrow evening?

I can finish it really quickly, but I'd appreciate another twemty-four hours. I had a last-minute appointment I wasn't expecting. I sincerely apologize and am willing to accept a certain cut on my delegate counts of necessary.

Last extension, though, tomorrow night at 10 PM forum time I announce the George Meany endorsement and results.

Also, question for the players:

-We are approaching the Democratic Convention now, which I want to turn into an interesting part of the simulation on the assumption that most of you will actually go all the way into there. That means that after this turn we should have a couple more turns of about two weeks each, one until California and the other until Texas/New York, but I was also toying to make it a single turn as well.

Which one do you prefer? Single turn to end primary season despite the lenght, or two turns to gauge momentum in a better way?

My preference is single turn, I like the hype. I think it really is intense and every turn. My pun

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McGovern Files for all upcoming primaries/caucuses.

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I will be posting late tonight, as I have a marching contest down in Norfolk this evening.

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Posting real soon, sorry for the delay our band just got back!

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McGovern Campaign Schedule, May 7 - 23

Tuesday, May 7:  NEBRASKA
Omaha - Policy Speech on "Restoring Our Democracy"
Lincoln - Final Speech to Campaign Volunteers
Grand Island - Barnstorming

Lincoln, NE

Tuesday, May 8:  CONNECTICUT
Hartford - Policy Speech on "Ending the Senseless Waste of Human Life in SE Asia"
New Haven - Barnstorming
Stamford - Final Speech to Campaign Volunteers

Wednesday, May 9:  WEST VIRGINIA/WASHINGTON D.C.
Charleston - Policy Speech on "Ending the Tyranny of the Few over Lives of the Many"
Morgantown - Final Speech to Campaign Volunteers
Washington D.C. - Congressional Duties

Charleston, WV

Thursday,  May 10: MICHIGAN
Detroit - Policy Speech on "Combating Inflation and Unemployment"
Lansing - Town Hall
Kalamazoo - Barnstorming

Friday, May 11:  MICHIGAN
Grand Rapids - Town Hall
Flint - Town Hall
Holland - Barnstorming

Saturday, May 12: MICHIGAN
Ann Arbor - Policy Speech on "Jobs, Wages, Rights, and Dignity"
Traverse City - Town Hall
Mackinaw City - Barnstorming

Ann Arbor, MI

Sunday, May 13:  MICHIGAN/MARYLAND
Detroit - Final Speech to Campaign Volunteers
Dearborn - Barnstorming
Ocean City - Barnstorming

Monday, May 14:  MARYLAND
Baltimore - Policy Speech on "Job Creation as a Means to Change Welfare"
Frederick - Barnstorming
Rockville - Town Hall

Tuesday, May 15:  MARYLAND/WASHINGTON
Annapolis - Final Speech to Campaign Volunteers
Spokane - Barnstorming
Olympia - Town Hall

Annapolis, MD

Wednesday, May 16:  WASHINGTON/WASHINGTON D.C.
Seattle - Policy Speech on "Tax Reform for Economic Justice"
Tacoma - Final Speech to Campaign Volunteers
Washington D.C. - Congressional Duties

Seattle, WA

Thursday,  May 17:  RHODE ISLAND
Providence - Policy Speech on "Ending Tax Cuts for Big Corporations"
Narragansett - Barnstorming
Westerly - Town Hall

Friday, May 18:  OREGON
Portland - Policy Speech on "Collective Bargaining as a Right"
Beaverton - Barnstorming
Seaside -  Barnstorming

Saturday, May 19: OREGON
Salem - Town Hall
Medford -  Town Hall
Corvallis - Town Hall

Sunday, May 20:  OREGON/CALIFORNIA
Eugene - Town Hall
Portland - Final Speech to Campaign Volunteers
Los Angeles - Policy Speech on "Environmental Protections Benefits Us All"

Monday, May 21:  CALIFORNIA
San Francisco - Policy Speech on "Unenforced Equal Rights means INequality"
San Jose - Town Hall
Palm Springs - Barnstorming

Tuesday, May 22:  CALIFORNIA
San Diego - Town Hall
Anaheim - Town Hall
Santa Monica - Town Hall

Wednesday, May 23:  CALIFORNIA/TEXAS
Sacremento - Town Hall
Houston - Town Hall
San Antonio - Town Hall

Thursday,  May 24:  TEXAS/NEW YORK
Dallas - Policy Speech on "Political 'Persuasion' is Just Another Way of Saying 'Coercion'"
Austin - Barnstorming
New York - Town Hall

Friday, May 25:  NEW YORK/RHODE ISLAND
Rochester -  Town Hall
Albany - Barnstorming
Woonsocket -  Town Hall

Saturday, May 26: RHODE ISLAND
North Kingstown - Policy Speech on "How Many Deaths is Enough to End This War?"
Bristol - Barnstorming
East Greenwich - Town Hall

Sunday, May 27:  RHODE ISLAND/WASHINGTON D.C.
Providence - Final Speech to Campaign Volunteers
Newport - Barnstorming
Washington D.C. - Congressional Duties

Providence, RI

DEBATE AND POLICY SPEECHES TO COME

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Debate Responses:

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Question 1.) 1.- The Senate has seen a lot of debates on the issue of defence planning and defence spending, and indeed candidates like Senator Muskie, Senator Harris and Senator McGovern have been forced to intervene in said debates. Question to you all, which are your plans regarding defence and how to they differ from the rest of the field?

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Question 2.) Welfare is also a theme hotly debated now, increasing calls not only from the conservative Republicans, but also from conservative Democrats, to cut on welfare spending. What are your plans regarding welfare, and can you provide concrete details of the sort of spending and initiatives you would like to see?

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Question 3.) More and more elected officers of the Democratic Party have come out saying that victory for any of you on the primaries and first ballot of the convention is increasingly unlikely, stressing that this year's DNC could be more chaotic than Chicago 1968. Considering the level of division, who would you like to choose as Vice-President to, so to speak, heal the divide? Would you run with any of the other candidates?

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Question 4.) The Paris Peace talks have all but collapsed as the United States resumes bombing operations in North Vietnam and South Vietnam is under attack. Should the talks be resumed at any cost?

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Question 5.) To Senator McGovern: Senator, a unnamed liberal Democratic Senator was quoted by journalist Robert Novak as saying that, and I quote: "The people don’t know McGovern is for amnesty, abortion and legalization of pot. Once middle America—Catholic middle America, in particular"—once they find out, he’s dead." How can you respond to such a comment, especially from one of your Senate colleagues?

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Policy Speeches -

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Farewell Campaign HQ Speeches

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Well, Senator, I thank you for your compliments about me. However, you didn't answer my question, really. You've laid out no clear strategy for our foreign policy. So, we leave Vietnam, and then what? How many countries would you let fall under communist rule in the next decade? How would you respond to the Soviets who are feeling more emboldened as of late? And what about the Chinese, who are beginning to become a major force in world politics? These are questions that the voters deserve to have answered, and so far, all I've seen of your record leads me to believe that the US would be greatly diminished as a superpower and other countries will push us over. This is an increasingly dangerous world and we need steady leadership to keep us safe from all threats, foreign and domestic.

Mr. Mayor, I don't know how much more specific you want me to be. We must END THE WAR. The issue of Americans dying day-by-day is the most important thing to me, and I will say to most Americans.  I am, quite simply, fed up to the ears with old men dreaming up wars for young men to die in, of military spending so wasteful that it weakens our nation, and of claims that ending our military operations in SE Asia will de-stabilize the region.  What do you think is there now?  It's as de-stabilized a region as one can imagine - at least it is know since we invaded countries to "stop communism." I say here and now: As one whose heart has ached for 10 years over the agony of Vietnam, I will halt the senseless bombing of Indochina on Inauguration Day, and within 90 days of my inauguration, every American soldier and every American prisoner will be out of the jungle and out of their cells and back home in America where they belong. And then let us resolve that never again will we shed the precious young blood of this nation to perpetuate an unrepresentative client abroad.

Certainly, it is necessary in an age of nuclear power and hostile ideology that we be militarily strong. America must never become a second-rate nation. As one who has tasted the bitter fruits of our weakness before Pearl Harbor, 1941, I give you my sacred pledge that if I become President of the United States, America will keep its defenses alert and fully sufficient to meet any danger. We will do that not only for ourselves, but for those who deserve and need the shield of our strength—our old allies in Europe, and elsewhere, including the people of Israel, who will always have our help to hold their promised land.

But being militarily strong to protect ourselves and our allies is different than invading other nations to change political regimes.  The question, ultimately, is how to best protect our nation - and this war is NOT the way.  I can give you my foreign policy platform of dignity, honor, and respect for the world.  And the fact of the matter is, there is no respect in war, there is only bloodshed.  So, let us be resolved to protect ourselves abroad and perfect ourselves at home - and I urge you to join us in that plea, Mr. Mayor.

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Results being written, so please refrain from continuing the debate. (Interesting as it is, I do have to read and rate all those large texts)

Got it, I will stop. Sorry - It's just really fun to wage histo-political war.

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Congrats Spiral!

There goes my chances in MI...

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I think the other candidates did indeed answer the question well - and I believe I answered equally as well, albeit differently.  Rather than focus on individuals, whether Vice-Presidential candidates or cabinet members or other Presidential selections, I choose to focus on the qualifications and attributes needed for the office and then find the person best qualified for the position.  Those qualifications include a strong stance on the issues I hold dear:  ending the war, supporting working families, fighting for civil rights for all in America, promoting education, and protecting American workers.  I think the American people want to know what a McGovern Administration would stand for rather than what it would look like.

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Sorry Lumine, I had to defend myself. ;-;

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For the love of god, stop posting on the debate...

I'm trying to get the debate analysis right, so I'm not acknowledging these responses.

Got it, sorry. ;-;

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Will there be another debate before the Convention?

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Good job as always Lumine.

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Prediction:



Texas was hard; I think McGovern will eventually pull ahead after Wallace and Harris split the conservative vote.

If this does happen, then may the best man win

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General election map?

It would be cool if you could possibly make two, one with Nixon vs. a conservative (Wallace, Yorty, etc.) and the other with Nixon vs. a liberal (McGovern, Muskie, etc.)

Thanks!

Sorry, I simply do not have the time for a GE map given my focus on the primary.

Not even one?

I'd like to see a McGovern v. Nixon if you have time next round.

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Economic Forum Invite
-Fred Harris is cordially inviting George McGovern and Mo Udall to a forum about the economy. (I'll write up some questions to answer. This is a forum style deal, not a debate per se)

The McGovern campaign thanks the Harris campaign, and accepts.