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« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2015, 09:32:53 AM »

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With Flo's map, why not just leave the 12 countries and French Guiana as separate seats? A solid 13 isn't a bad idea at all.

And seats could always be easily added, through the division of big countries like Brazil, Argentina, Colombia or Peru. I could throw together a 20-21 seat map if people are interested.
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« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2015, 09:45:08 AM »

Do we have to do South America? I'd really rather not.
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« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2015, 09:54:54 AM »

Do we have to do South America? I'd really rather not.

I'm in favor of it, simply because it'd be far more interesting than the following.





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« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2015, 11:38:05 AM »

I'd love to be Scotland Sad
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« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2015, 12:04:28 PM »

I could go for the UK but I don't think that trying to make things EXOTIC!!! will do any good and I don't plan on playing if that's what it is decided to do.
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« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2015, 12:14:25 PM »

Greece would be fun to play. It delivers a realistic dystopian scenario without us having to invent it.
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« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2015, 12:18:47 PM »

Greece would be fun to play. It delivers a realistic dystopian scenario without us having to invent it.

Ooooooooooh.  I'm just worried in such a situation, though, we'd make our simulation too similar to what the real life political setup is.  One thing I like about a "parlimentary" US or a unified South America is that clearly we could make it our own operation, divorced from the structures and institutions that have already been setup.

I mean, we could also go one step further and make our own map of a completely invented country.
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« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2015, 12:44:26 PM »

Part of my opinion on country choice is also how much the GM knows about it. I would prefer U.S. or Canada because I know about them a good deal, but if anyone gives me resources on South America I'll pour over them.

A scenario like Greece is at risk of being too "railroaded". An imaginary scenario takes a long time to acclimate.

After the speaker election is over, I think parliament should vote on a motion to adopt a scenario. So far I think U.S. or South America are viable ones, but anyone else willing to make a map can step up.
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« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2015, 12:58:44 PM »

I kind of like the idea of the US and Canada. I mean, we have a parliamentary democracy right next door to the United States. Maybe Atlasia was in shambles and Canada, by order of international accord, constitutional amendments, acts from both the Canadian and British parliaments, whatever, absorbed the territory previously occupied by Atlasia. We have a continental capital in Ottawa and the formation of a new state run by parliament.
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« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2015, 12:59:40 PM »

what about a mid-80s federated europe? dealing with the collapse of the ussr could be fun



20 constituencies between around 6-8m population in 1980. could add one for overseas territories
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« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2015, 01:18:59 PM »

I think as long as there's seats for everyone who wants one, we'll do fine. Pick any place. You could even just pick counties within a US state, to act as constituencies.
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« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2015, 02:06:10 PM »

How about Scotland 10 years after independence? SNP has collapsed after massive corruption scandals and a new party system evolves
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« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2015, 02:20:56 PM »

Part of my opinion on country choice is also how much the GM knows about it. I would prefer U.S. or Canada because I know about them a good deal, but if anyone gives me resources on South America I'll pour over them.

What kind of resources? Like, a constituency map? I'd be willing to do that.
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« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2015, 02:30:35 PM »

That, and sites where I can look up the history, major policy issues and all.

This is relevant, since I have to make a decision as people keep popping out countries. I'm writing a scenario based on South America (minus French Guyana). Rest assured that I don't want to make this gimmicky, and I'll make sure the events are generic-sounding but different from issues Americans face (I'm thinking of stuff like negotiating with pseudo-FARC, Brazilian evangelicals petitioning a ban for gay marriage, etc). Meanwhile cabinet can go in a more American policy route.

I'll post something by tonight, and if parliament adopts it that post will be the base scenario. Future GMs can, through responding to parliamentarians' questions, figure out the status quo.

If I've upset any of you, maybe you'll be appeased by this chart of our Parliament as it stands. (SVG format)

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« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2015, 02:50:28 PM »

Great!
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« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2015, 03:12:39 PM »

That, and sites where I can look up the history, major policy issues and all.

Sure, I'll make a map once I get off work in a few hours time. In terms of sites, besides Wikipedia (especially Spanish Wikipedia if you're able to make that out), I can recommend the book Modern Latin America which does a really good job of covering the history and issues of the most important countries (except Venezuela and smaller countries like Bolivia, Ecuador, or the guays). It's available here. I could also plug in my blog, since I feel like my articles on the recent elections in Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Paraguay and Venezuela were decent enough Tongue

Some ideas for issues:
  • Abortion, given that South America has restrictive laws on the matter and that it's recently become a more contentious issue in politics
  • Poverty reduction strategies, particularly stuff like Brazil's Bolsa Familia
  • Land reform/land ownership issues, which is less important nowadays but still fairly important in places like Brazil (where you have a large agrifood industry) or Colombia (post-conflict reconstruction)
  • Trade issues
  • Mining and natural resources, which are huge issues in places like Ecuador, Bolivia, Colombia. Involving multinational foreign mining giants, environmental issues, indigenous rights and land claims and nationalist sentiments over resource ownership
  • Political corruption, clientelism and so forth. I really feel like this adds an exciting layer. I don't want this game to be filled with unrealistic saint-like politicians committed to values and laudable ideas, if we want this to be realistic we'd need some corrupt political bosses, dirty deals with sketchy people, illegal campaign financing and clientelistic networks
  • Drugs, drug trafficking and drug-related gang violence, which is a big issue in basically every country especially Colombia, Venezuela, Brazil and even Argentina now (afaik)
  • Foreign relations, naturally with the US but also now with China, India, Russia, Europe and so forth
  • Income inequality (see also poverty reduction strategies)
  • Economic and fiscal issues, and debates between neoliberalism and socialism
  • Education, healthcare and the provision/improvement of such basic services
  • Infrastructure issues, dealing with stuff like roads, railways, waterways, airports, electricity/utilities, water - still very important issues in Brazil, Colombia and so forth
  • Church-State relations, would be central in any historical write-up and explaining any Liberal/Conservative partisan division which we may create. Less relevant nowadays, but could still be seen in debates over moral issues
and plenty more...

With these issues at stake, I think there's tons of stuff to provide some really interesting ideological competition and lots of room for radical left parties to have a really strong voice (and for it to be realistic).
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« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2015, 03:34:27 PM »

 

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« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2015, 04:40:32 PM »

I kind of like the idea of the US and Canada. I mean, we have a parliamentary democracy right next door to the United States. Maybe Atlasia was in shambles and Canada, by order of international accord, constitutional amendments, acts from both the Canadian and British parliaments, whatever, absorbed the territory previously occupied by Atlasia. We have a continental capital in Ottawa and the formation of a new state run by parliament.
Yeah, I like that idea.
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« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2015, 04:50:25 PM »

I really like the South American idea. Especially since it gives me the chance to be the parochial, provincial, nepotistic, pork barreling, cute hoor of a politician I've always aspired to be.
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« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2015, 05:15:24 PM »

I'm with Simfan; I'd rather not do South America as I am unfamiliar with its culture and politics. I'd rather stick with America as TNF suggested.
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« Reply #45 on: July 22, 2015, 06:18:41 PM »

I an almost begging you, please don't do this.  Just now we were saying that role playing was a bad thing and now here we are jumping the shark.
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« Reply #46 on: July 22, 2015, 08:37:46 PM »

20 seat map for South America:



Giving one seat to each country except Guyane-Suriname, and then 2-4 seats for the five biggest countries. Brazil is badly underrepresented if you're going by population, since it would get about 9-10 seats if we're doing equal population. I'm pleased with how I divided Peru, Venezuela, Argentina and even Brazil; but I don't like my three seats in Colombia since it completely destroys geographic regions but the concentration of Colombian populations make the country a real bitch to divide up nicely.

IMO US-Canada would be very boring, since there's nothing very exciting in that. The UK would be boring, although I guess western Europe could be fine. I still love the South American idea myself.
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« Reply #47 on: July 22, 2015, 08:46:09 PM »

It might be boring to do Western countries, but it makes sense given the locations of the game's participants.
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« Reply #48 on: July 22, 2015, 08:56:37 PM »

Okay, here's my final word on worldbuilding. Below are two different bills that set this game's setting. I would like Parliament to introduce the bills to the floor and vote on them. The bill that passes is what we'll work with from now on. Feel free to change the language, though please don't clog up the process with a dozen amendments back and forth.

Keep in mind that I am still being mostly hands-off toward the game. The setting is really just a way for me and everyone else to mine up issues that keep everyone interested. These bills are just a start: our world will really be determined by the conversations between me and the MPs.

As you debate this, I'll also finalize an electoral system we can adopt.

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« Reply #49 on: July 22, 2015, 08:57:09 PM »

I an almost begging you, please don't do this.  Just now we were saying that role playing was a bad thing and now here we are jumping the shark.

We've already had an American centric game for a while now, and it's gotten very boring with the same old issues reoccurring. I think it'd be good for the health of the parliamentary game to have something new and untried on Atlas.
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