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« on: April 25, 2015, 03:47:52 PM »

100 years from now, will the history books still show 1988 as the last time California went red in a presidential election? Will Arnold Schwarzenegger still be the last GOP Governor the Golden State has ever had?
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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2015, 09:45:48 PM »

100 years from now, will the history books still show 1988 as the last time California went red in a presidential election? Will Arnold Schwarzenegger still be the last GOP Governor the Golden State has ever had?

1. It may not be part of the USA in 2115.
2. It might be depopulated thanks to drought that could last 250 years or more.
3. The political parties in CA might look very different than their national counterparts given that whites will make up no more than 25% of the population in CA by 2050.


You guys on the left have this idiotic idea that the future is a straight like projection of the present. GO play the lotto if you can see the future so clearly.
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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2015, 07:46:34 AM »

100 years from now, will the history books still show 1988 as the last time California went red in a presidential election? Will Arnold Schwarzenegger still be the last GOP Governor the Golden State has ever had?

1. It may not be part of the USA in 2115.
2. It might be depopulated thanks to drought that could last 250 years or more.
3. The political parties in CA might look very different than their national counterparts given that whites will make up no more than 25% of the population in CA by 2050.


You guys on the left have this idiotic idea that the future is a straight like projection of the present. GO play the lotto if you can see the future so clearly.

The definition of whiteness will probably end up including a lot of Hispanics and those of mixed race by 2115.
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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2015, 07:56:15 PM »

This will only be the case if the US transitions to a multiparty system at some point; there is no other reasonable scenario in which California never once votes Republican (or, more accurately, refrains from voting Democratic).
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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2015, 08:28:24 PM »

The state parties will adjust depending on the circumstances, but California may never vote Republican for President for many, many decades.
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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2015, 08:49:14 PM »

The state parties will adjust depending on the circumstances, but California may never vote Republican for President for many, many decades.

Probably true.  But if VT and MS can vote for the same party at different times in the 20th Century - even sometimes during the same election - I won't rule anything out.
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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2015, 09:00:52 PM »
« Edited: April 28, 2015, 09:03:27 PM by Skill and Chance »

100 years from now, will the history books still show 1988 as the last time California went red in a presidential election? Will Arnold Schwarzenegger still be the last GOP Governor the Golden State has ever had?

1. It may not be part of the USA in 2115.
2. It might be depopulated thanks to drought that could last 250 years or more.
3. The political parties in CA might look very different than their national counterparts given that whites will make up no more than 25% of the population in CA by 2050.


You guys on the left have this idiotic idea that the future is a straight like projection of the present. GO play the lotto if you can see the future so clearly.

The definition of whiteness will probably end up including a lot of Hispanics and those of mixed race by 2115.

Hmmm... this can be tested.  Is there any data on what percentage of people in New Mexico reporting some Hispanic ancestry on the census identify as white in exit polls, etc.?  Most have been there since at least the 19th century and they have never been denied political rights in any organized way except during a brief Confederate occupation.
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2015, 03:17:15 PM »

I question I have about CA, is will there be white flight once hispancs constitute an electoral majority. Right now whites are 38% and hispancs 39% of the population. But of the electorate Whites still make up 70% of those who vote on election day.


Also no one ever gives up political power voluntarily. What will the white gentry liberals do to keep power in a state that is majority hispanic? Blacks in LA used the same tactics to prevent hispanics from gaining power in the 1990s that whites used against blacks in the 1960s
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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2015, 03:19:05 PM »

I question I have about CA, is will there be white flight once hispancs constitute an electoral majority. Right now whites are 38% and hispancs 39% of the population. But of the electorate Whites still make up 70% of those who vote on election day.


Also no one ever gives up political power voluntarily. What will the white gentry liberals do to keep power in a state that is majority hispanic? Blacks in LA used the same tactics to prevent hispanics from gaining power in the 1990s that whites used against blacks in the 1960s

Not every white person hates living around minorities.
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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2015, 03:24:00 PM »

I question I have about CA, is will there be white flight once hispancs constitute an electoral majority. Right now whites are 38% and hispancs 39% of the population. But of the electorate Whites still make up 70% of those who vote on election day.


Also no one ever gives up political power voluntarily. What will the white gentry liberals do to keep power in a state that is majority hispanic? Blacks in LA used the same tactics to prevent hispanics from gaining power in the 1990s that whites used against blacks in the 1960s

Liberal rich ones do

Not every white person hates living around minorities.
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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2015, 04:38:51 PM »

I question I have about CA, is will there be white flight once hispancs constitute an electoral majority. Right now whites are 38% and hispancs 39% of the population. But of the electorate Whites still make up 70% of those who vote on election day.


Also no one ever gives up political power voluntarily. What will the white gentry liberals do to keep power in a state that is majority hispanic? Blacks in LA used the same tactics to prevent hispanics from gaining power in the 1990s that whites used against blacks in the 1960s

Liberal rich ones do

Not every white person hates living around minorities.

They do? That's news to me, based on the fact that whites who live around minorities tend to be more liberal, and, in places like NYC, richer.

Yes, there's whites who don't like living around minorities, but they're usually working class or conservative.
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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2015, 11:36:37 AM »

I question I have about CA, is will there be white flight once hispancs constitute an electoral majority. Right now whites are 38% and hispancs 39% of the population. But of the electorate Whites still make up 70% of those who vote on election day.


Also no one ever gives up political power voluntarily. What will the white gentry liberals do to keep power in a state that is majority hispanic? Blacks in LA used the same tactics to prevent hispanics from gaining power in the 1990s that whites used against blacks in the 1960s

Liberal rich ones do

Not every white person hates living around minorities.

They do? That's news to me, based on the fact that whites who live around minorities tend to be more liberal, and, in places like NYC, richer.

Yes, there's whites who don't like living around minorities, but they're usually working class or conservative.

Yeah, those liberals wall themselves off. Their only contact with minorities is when they happen to see them cutting their grass
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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2015, 11:44:06 AM »

I question I have about CA, is will there be white flight once hispancs constitute an electoral majority. Right now whites are 38% and hispancs 39% of the population. But of the electorate Whites still make up 70% of those who vote on election day.


Also no one ever gives up political power voluntarily. What will the white gentry liberals do to keep power in a state that is majority hispanic? Blacks in LA used the same tactics to prevent hispanics from gaining power in the 1990s that whites used against blacks in the 1960s

Liberal rich ones do

Not every white person hates living around minorities.

They do? That's news to me, based on the fact that whites who live around minorities tend to be more liberal, and, in places like NYC, richer.

Yes, there's whites who don't like living around minorities, but they're usually working class or conservative.

Yeah, those liberals wall themselves off. Their only contact with minorities is when they happen to see them cutting their grass

That's not true, though. Certainly of some, yeah, but of all? Most assuredly not.
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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2015, 01:59:32 PM »

There are far fewer "rich" liberals in the US than this forum likes to believe, and there are without a doubt more rich conservatives.  This idea that the Democratic Party is 50% minorities and 50% rich PhD cosmopolitans who play hero and look out for said minorities' interests is ... well, it's funny.
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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2015, 04:35:03 PM »

I question I have about CA, is will there be white flight once hispancs constitute an electoral majority. Right now whites are 38% and hispancs 39% of the population. But of the electorate Whites still make up 70% of those who vote on election day.


Also no one ever gives up political power voluntarily. What will the white gentry liberals do to keep power in a state that is majority hispanic? Blacks in LA used the same tactics to prevent hispanics from gaining power in the 1990s that whites used against blacks in the 1960s

Liberal rich ones do

Not every white person hates living around minorities.

They do? That's news to me, based on the fact that whites who live around minorities tend to be more liberal, and, in places like NYC, richer.

Yes, there's whites who don't like living around minorities, but they're usually working class or conservative.

Yeah, those liberals wall themselves off. Their only contact with minorities is when they happen to see them cutting their grass

That's not true, though. Certainly of some, yeah, but of all? Most assuredly not.

So which Gentry Liberals live amongst the unwashed?
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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2015, 04:35:47 PM »

There are far fewer "rich" liberals in the US than this forum likes to believe, and there are without a doubt more rich conservatives.  This idea that the Democratic Party is 50% minorities and 50% rich PhD cosmopolitans who play hero and look out for said minorities' interests is ... well, it's funny.

CA is a state run for and by the wealthy liberal elites.
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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2015, 05:50:41 PM »

There are far fewer "rich" liberals in the US than this forum likes to believe, and there are without a doubt more rich conservatives.  This idea that the Democratic Party is 50% minorities and 50% rich PhD cosmopolitans who play hero and look out for said minorities' interests is ... well, it's funny.

CA is a state run for and by the wealthy liberal elites.

Yet its most affluent county (Orange) is a GOP stronghold.  There's not a blue state in the Union that Democrats have these mythical "liberal elites" to thank for their margins of victory.
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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2015, 06:25:28 PM »

Following the election of Ted Cruz, the Golden State will saw itself off from the continental U.S. and declare independence, forming a maritime socialist republic. 
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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2015, 08:37:03 PM »

There are far fewer "rich" liberals in the US than this forum likes to believe, and there are without a doubt more rich conservatives.  This idea that the Democratic Party is 50% minorities and 50% rich PhD cosmopolitans who play hero and look out for said minorities' interests is ... well, it's funny.

CA is a state run for and by the wealthy liberal elites.

Yet its most affluent county (Orange) is a GOP stronghold.  There's not a blue state in the Union that Democrats have these mythical "liberal elites" to thank for their margins of victory.

Orange County is not the most affluent county in the state. Orange is #9 per capita income. The top 8 are all in the SF Bay area.

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« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2015, 08:38:28 PM »

There are far fewer "rich" liberals in the US than this forum likes to believe, and there are without a doubt more rich conservatives.  This idea that the Democratic Party is 50% minorities and 50% rich PhD cosmopolitans who play hero and look out for said minorities' interests is ... well, it's funny.

CA is a state run for and by the wealthy liberal elites.

Yet its most affluent county (Orange) is a GOP stronghold.  There's not a blue state in the Union that Democrats have these mythical "liberal elites" to thank for their margins of victory.

Take away Dane County and WI is solid Red.
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« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2015, 09:43:59 PM »

I question I have about CA, is will there be white flight once hispancs constitute an electoral majority. Right now whites are 38% and hispancs 39% of the population. But of the electorate Whites still make up 70% of those who vote on election day.


Also no one ever gives up political power voluntarily. What will the white gentry liberals do to keep power in a state that is majority hispanic? Blacks in LA used the same tactics to prevent hispanics from gaining power in the 1990s that whites used against blacks in the 1960s

Liberal rich ones do

Not every white person hates living around minorities.

They do? That's news to me, based on the fact that whites who live around minorities tend to be more liberal, and, in places like NYC, richer.

Yes, there's whites who don't like living around minorities, but they're usually working class or conservative.

Yeah, those liberals wall themselves off. Their only contact with minorities is when they happen to see them cutting their grass

That's not true, though. Certainly of some, yeah, but of all? Most assuredly not.

So which Gentry Liberals live amongst the unwashed?

Those in New York City? Or any major city, for that matter?
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« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2015, 10:41:08 PM »

I question I have about CA, is will there be white flight once hispancs constitute an electoral majority. Right now whites are 38% and hispancs 39% of the population. But of the electorate Whites still make up 70% of those who vote on election day.


Also no one ever gives up political power voluntarily. What will the white gentry liberals do to keep power in a state that is majority hispanic? Blacks in LA used the same tactics to prevent hispanics from gaining power in the 1990s that whites used against blacks in the 1960s

Liberal rich ones do

Not every white person hates living around minorities.

They do? That's news to me, based on the fact that whites who live around minorities tend to be more liberal, and, in places like NYC, richer.

Yes, there's whites who don't like living around minorities, but they're usually working class or conservative.

Yeah, those liberals wall themselves off. Their only contact with minorities is when they happen to see them cutting their grass

That's not true, though. Certainly of some, yeah, but of all? Most assuredly not.

So which Gentry Liberals live amongst the unwashed?

Those in New York City? Or any major city, for that matter?

On please, they live in enclaves in Manhattan separated from everyone else. Same in Chicago along the Gold Coast.

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« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2015, 02:12:32 PM »

I question I have about CA, is will there be white flight once hispancs constitute an electoral majority. Right now whites are 38% and hispancs 39% of the population. But of the electorate Whites still make up 70% of those who vote on election day.


Also no one ever gives up political power voluntarily. What will the white gentry liberals do to keep power in a state that is majority hispanic? Blacks in LA used the same tactics to prevent hispanics from gaining power in the 1990s that whites used against blacks in the 1960s

Liberal rich ones do

Not every white person hates living around minorities.

They do? That's news to me, based on the fact that whites who live around minorities tend to be more liberal, and, in places like NYC, richer.

Yes, there's whites who don't like living around minorities, but they're usually working class or conservative.

Yeah, those liberals wall themselves off. Their only contact with minorities is when they happen to see them cutting their grass

That's not true, though. Certainly of some, yeah, but of all? Most assuredly not.

So which Gentry Liberals live amongst the unwashed?

Those in New York City? Or any major city, for that matter?

On please, they live in enclaves in Manhattan separated from everyone else. Same in Chicago along the Gold Coast.

Irrelevant. They still live in the same city. I mean, Manhattan isn't separated from everyone else either, you'd know that if you've ever been here, but I digress, let's assume that your point is correct.

It's still the same city. The same state. There's no out-of-state exodus going on.
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« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2015, 06:42:19 PM »

I question I have about CA, is will there be white flight once hispancs constitute an electoral majority. Right now whites are 38% and hispancs 39% of the population. But of the electorate Whites still make up 70% of those who vote on election day.


Also no one ever gives up political power voluntarily. What will the white gentry liberals do to keep power in a state that is majority hispanic? Blacks in LA used the same tactics to prevent hispanics from gaining power in the 1990s that whites used against blacks in the 1960s

Liberal rich ones do

Not every white person hates living around minorities.

They do? That's news to me, based on the fact that whites who live around minorities tend to be more liberal, and, in places like NYC, richer.

Yes, there's whites who don't like living around minorities, but they're usually working class or conservative.

Yeah, those liberals wall themselves off. Their only contact with minorities is when they happen to see them cutting their grass

That's not true, though. Certainly of some, yeah, but of all? Most assuredly not.

So which Gentry Liberals live amongst the unwashed?

Those in New York City? Or any major city, for that matter?

On please, they live in enclaves in Manhattan separated from everyone else. Same in Chicago along the Gold Coast.

Irrelevant. They still live in the same city. I mean, Manhattan isn't separated from everyone else either, you'd know that if you've ever been here, but I digress, let's assume that your point is correct.

It's still the same city. The same state. There's no out-of-state exodus going on.

Try walking up to some of the wealthiest citizen's apartments and see how far you get. NYC is the most unequal city in the US
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« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2015, 09:06:04 PM »

I question I have about CA, is will there be white flight once hispancs constitute an electoral majority. Right now whites are 38% and hispancs 39% of the population. But of the electorate Whites still make up 70% of those who vote on election day.


Also no one ever gives up political power voluntarily. What will the white gentry liberals do to keep power in a state that is majority hispanic? Blacks in LA used the same tactics to prevent hispanics from gaining power in the 1990s that whites used against blacks in the 1960s

Liberal rich ones do

Not every white person hates living around minorities.

They do? That's news to me, based on the fact that whites who live around minorities tend to be more liberal, and, in places like NYC, richer.

Yes, there's whites who don't like living around minorities, but they're usually working class or conservative.

Yeah, those liberals wall themselves off. Their only contact with minorities is when they happen to see them cutting their grass

That's not true, though. Certainly of some, yeah, but of all? Most assuredly not.

So which Gentry Liberals live amongst the unwashed?

Those in New York City? Or any major city, for that matter?

On please, they live in enclaves in Manhattan separated from everyone else. Same in Chicago along the Gold Coast.

Irrelevant. They still live in the same city. I mean, Manhattan isn't separated from everyone else either, you'd know that if you've ever been here, but I digress, let's assume that your point is correct.

It's still the same city. The same state. There's no out-of-state exodus going on.

Try walking up to some of the wealthiest citizen's apartments and see how far you get. NYC is the most unequal city in the US

I regularly walk past them because I live here? Income inequality has nothing to any of the points being debated here. The point still stands that the "wealthy liberals" who apparently fear minorities as you say they do live in the same city as them and interact with them on a regular basis without running for the hills or being overtaken by some strange notion that there's something to fear from living amongst minorities.
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