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Question: Let the sure-fire clusterf*ck of an election series commence!
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Mapai
 
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Mapam
 
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United Religious Front
 
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Herut
 
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General Zionists
 
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Progressive Party
 
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National Unity List of Sephardim and Oriental Communities
 
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Maki
 
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Democratic List of Nazareth
 
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Fighters' List
 
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Women's International Zionist Organization
 
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Yemenite Association
 
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« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2015, 12:47:57 PM »

Israel's love of identity based politics makes this quite a hard timeline.
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« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2015, 12:53:33 PM »

Israel's love of identity based politics makes this quite a hard timeline.

Yes, we need a bit of role play to pull it off, where some people take on the part as Orthodox, Sephardi, Palestinians etc.
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« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2015, 12:57:57 PM »

Well i am personally role playing as 'evil nutcase' and have cast the lone vote for the fascists.
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« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2015, 12:59:13 PM »

Once there are real Arab parties to vote for, I will vote for those. But Democratic List of Nazareth doesn't count.
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« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2015, 01:05:02 PM »

Mapam (easiest choice ever)

Protip: unless you want to vote for Arab right wing (Balad) or the Islamists, Maki/Rakkah/Hadash will be your only option.

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« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2015, 01:09:26 PM »

Mapai. The other leftists are naive when it comes to the USSR

Things would have been so much worse with a Soviet-allied Israel. Most of the neighboring Arab states were Baghdad Pact signatories or otherwise US-allied, so that would have just taken a preexisting conflict and added a layer of Cold War animosity to it. I'd expect to have seen the Arab-Israeli conflict turn into a US-Soviet proxy war. I assume the Palestinian independence movement wouldn't have been pro-Soviet and Marxist like IRL. (Maybe they would have been right-wing and fascist?)
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« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2015, 01:16:21 PM »

Mapai. The other leftists are naive when it comes to the USSR

Things would have been so much worse with a Soviet-allied Israel. Most of the neighboring Arab states were Baghdad Pact signatories or otherwise US-allied, so that would have just taken a preexisting conflict and added a layer of Cold War animosity to it. I'd expect to have seen the Arab-Israeli conflict turn into a US-Soviet proxy war. I assume the Palestinian independence movement wouldn't have been pro-Soviet and Marxist like IRL. (Maybe they would have been right-wing and fascist?)
What about a non-aligned Israel?
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« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2015, 01:29:54 PM »

Herut. I'd likely be very nationalistic after the experience of the Jews in Europe.
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« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2015, 02:07:46 PM »

National Unity List (token Sephradic/Oriental/etc)
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« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2015, 02:26:13 PM »

Herut. I'd likely be very nationalistic after the experience of the Jews in Europe.

So after being treated like crap for being of a different religion, you'd want to...treat other people like crap for being of a different religion?
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« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2015, 02:29:30 PM »

Is there any chance that the Arab republics crush Israel in the 50s or 60s, or are we doomed to continue this to the present?
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« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2015, 02:32:40 PM »

Maki as the only party opposed to Zionism.

It also sounds delicious.

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« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2015, 02:45:46 PM »

Mapai
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« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2015, 02:49:35 PM »

Speaking of bizarre alternate history scenarios, am I completely wrong or did we eventually elect basically a fascist party in one of the election series? I think it was the German one actually, where we literally elected neo-Nazis for the lulz towards the end.
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« Reply #39 on: April 08, 2015, 04:07:49 PM »

Herut. I'd likely be very nationalistic after the experience of the Jews in Europe.

So after being treated like crap for being of a different religion, you'd want to...treat other people like crap for being of a different religion?

That is how it usually works.
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« Reply #40 on: April 08, 2015, 04:41:08 PM »

Is there any chance that the Arab republics crush Israel in the 50s or 60s, or are we doomed to continue this to the present?

You could always register with a Neo Nazi Party, you seem to fit in with some of their pro-genocide members.

I am not opposed to Jews, I am opposed to a Jewish settler-colonial state seizing land from existing Arab populations.
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« Reply #41 on: April 08, 2015, 05:07:33 PM »

Is there any chance that the Arab republics crush Israel in the 50s or 60s, or are we doomed to continue this to the present?

You could always register with a Neo Nazi Party, you seem to fit in with some of their pro-genocide members.

I am not opposed to Jews, I am opposed to a Jewish settler-colonial state seizing land from existing Arab populations.
So while you are not opposed to Jews as a "tolerated minority", you don't want Jews to have any options should their "tolerated" part of the status end. Good to know.
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« Reply #42 on: April 08, 2015, 06:07:01 PM »

A minority being oppressed does not grant them the right to oppress a new population in a different part of the world.
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« Reply #43 on: April 08, 2015, 06:14:01 PM »

A minority being oppressed does not grant them the right to oppress a new population in a different part of the world.
Question: does living in location B automatically mean oppressing the "natives" of location B?
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« Reply #44 on: April 08, 2015, 06:21:45 PM »

A minority being oppressed does not grant them the right to oppress a new population in a different part of the world.
Question: does living in location B automatically mean oppressing the "natives" of location B?

No, but seizure of land and discrimination against said natives does.
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« Reply #45 on: April 08, 2015, 06:31:38 PM »

A minority being oppressed does not grant them the right to oppress a new population in a different part of the world.
Question: does living in location B automatically mean oppressing the "natives" of location B?

No, but seizure of land and discrimination against said natives does.
So you don't actually have anything against Zionism. Good to know.

Also, Israel getting crushed by Arab Democracies (unlikely considering that none of Egypt, Jordan, or Syria were democracies at the time) is almost certainly the least likely or positive fix. There are much likelier ways for some land return and an end to discrimination to happen.
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« Reply #46 on: April 09, 2015, 10:29:07 AM »

Let's hope this is the last argument of those sorts we end up having.  Unlikely, but I'd greatly appreciate it if all of us try.
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« Reply #47 on: April 09, 2015, 10:31:35 AM »

Let's hope this is the last argument of those sorts we end up having.  Unlikely, but I'd greatly appreciate it if all of us try.

I mean, you did start an election series set in a country literally built upon a pile of Palestinian corpses
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« Reply #48 on: April 09, 2015, 10:36:19 AM »

There was a very strong chance up until the Yom Kippur War that Israel would actually be wiped off the map. Why are you fully excluding this?
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« Reply #49 on: April 09, 2015, 10:42:32 AM »

I'm a Christian, so it's not likely I'd vote for any of the almost all Jewish parties. So Democratic List of Nazareth I guess.
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