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« on: April 26, 2005, 03:57:17 PM »

I was searching around for some news on the UK election, and came across the following articles on my search.

(BBC) "Americans uninspired by UK poll"

An interesting take on how we view the British election.  Especially worth noting because of the high number of international posters on this forum.  Got me wondering how many Americans take part in UK election forums like this?


(Guardian Newspaper) "Dear Limey assholes..."

This newspaper attempted to influence last fall's election by doing a letter-writing campaign to various people in Clark County, OH.  I'm surprised I didn't hear about this before, because I don't live far from Springfield.  This article shows some of the responses from people all over the US to this campaign.  Although I disagree with what they tried to do, I'm a little stunned by some of the things people said to them.


(Times Newspaper) "Hail to the chiefs: how Americans lead way in the dark art of politics"

An interesting look at who Labour have now got on board to help them get re-elected.
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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2005, 04:15:44 PM »

1. If you want a forum on the election try: www.vote-2005.co.uk

2. I'm very suprised you hadn't heard about it Wink

3. Hey at least we don't have Lyton Crosbie...
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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2005, 06:17:59 PM »

TONY!  TONY!  TONY!
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2005, 09:15:24 PM »


I think Mr. Blair is great but I will be hoping for major Labour losses in the upcoming elections. Plus, telling people to vote Labour because they're the party of Blair (who is a great ally) doesn't make all that much sense seeing that his own party might be getting rid of him.

Vote Tory!  Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2005, 10:01:57 PM »

His own Party will be getting rid of him no matter what by the next election.  The question is whether Tony wins and things stay the same, or Tony loses and the loonies in Britain will blame it all on his association with President Bush.  I support the status quo Smiley

Obviously, if Gordon Brown becomes head of Labour, my loyalties will quickly shift into their proper position.   Hopefully by the time the next election comes around, Michael Portillo will be elected leader and will lead the Conservatives into victory.


I think Mr. Blair is great but I will be hoping for major Labour losses in the upcoming elections. Plus, telling people to vote Labour because they're the party of Blair (who is a great ally) doesn't make all that much sense seeing that his own party might be getting rid of him.

Vote Tory!  Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2005, 10:10:56 PM »

His own Party will be getting rid of him no matter what by the next election.  The question is whether Tony wins and things stay the same, or Tony loses and the loonies in Britain will blame it all on his association with President Bush.  I support the status quo Smiley

Obviously, if Gordon Brown becomes head of Labour, my loyalties will quickly shift into their proper position.   Hopefully by the time the next election comes around, Michael Portillo will be elected leader and will lead the Conservatives into victory.


I think Mr. Blair is great but I will be hoping for major Labour losses in the upcoming elections. Plus, telling people to vote Labour because they're the party of Blair (who is a great ally) doesn't make all that much sense seeing that his own party might be getting rid of him.

Vote Tory!  Smiley

Michael Portillo is done for in Conservative politics
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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2005, 11:31:15 PM »

In precisely 9 days Michael Portillo will no longer be a member of the UK House of Commons.
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2005, 12:37:47 AM »

And in precisely 9 days, Conservatives will still be a lost minority Tongue

In precisely 9 days Michael Portillo will no longer be a member of the UK House of Commons.
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2005, 12:55:15 AM »

Kennedy! Kennedy! Kennedy!
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2005, 05:12:46 AM »

In precisely 9 days Michael Portillo will no longer be a member of the UK House of Commons.

He no longer is anyway, Peter. He went with the dissolution.
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2005, 08:47:31 AM »

Pardon my ignorance.  Who is Michael Portillo?
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2005, 11:32:06 AM »

In precisely 9 days Michael Portillo will no longer be a member of the UK House of Commons.

He no longer is anyway, Peter. He went with the dissolution.

Yeah I suppose thats technically true.

Michael Portillo was a leading light in the Conservative party, he served in three Cabinet posts, including as the high ranking Secretary of Defence. He was meant to challenge the Conservative party leadership in 1995, but never quite did; Had he, many think he would have defeated Major and become Prime Minister.

He was ousted from Parliament in the wipeout of 1997, being returned in a by-election in 1999 in a safe Tory seat. He did challenge the leadership in 2001, but lost out by one vote in the penultimate round.

Michael was originally a neo-liberal, but has moved leftward since then and is now considered a social libertarian, especially aided by his public transformation in which he admitted to homosexual experiences in his youth.
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2005, 02:22:00 PM »

Iain Duncan Smith for leader of the Conservative party (again) and King! Wink
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2005, 02:45:23 PM »


I think Mr. Blair is great but I will be hoping for major Labour losses in the upcoming elections. Plus, telling people to vote Labour because they're the party of Blair (who is a great ally) doesn't make all that much sense seeing that his own party might be getting rid of him.

Vote Tory!  Smiley

Ummm, Tony Blair has said himself that he will not fight another general election - he will retire at one point during the next term so it won't necessarily be his party getting rid of him.

People have already addressed the issue of Portillo.

Phil, IDS was an awful Conservative leader, only the typical Tory voter liked him and that makes up a tiny minority of the country, not enough to win a general election.
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2005, 03:15:59 AM »

Portillo's 1997 defeat was the moment of the election. There's a clip of it of the BBC election website:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/basics/4393323.stm
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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2005, 03:26:22 AM »

3. Hey at least we don't have Lyton Crosbie...

Hey, he's a genius. An evil genius, sure, but a genius nonetheless.

I don't like him, but I'd say he's almost Karl Rove's equal.
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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2005, 03:56:15 AM »

3. Hey at least we don't have Lyton Crosbie...

Hey, he's a genius. An evil genius, sure, but a genius nonetheless.

I don't like him, but I'd say he's almost Karl Rove's equal.

If the Tories do as well as I expect them to in outer London exurbs/suburbs (a lot of which are white flight) I'll put it down to him...
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« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2005, 10:53:23 AM »

I'd guess Republicans favour the Conservative Party; while Democrats favour Labour or the Lib Dems

Personally, I identify with the Democrats but I support Bush over Iraq (but that's about it!)

These days, I find I'm just an interested in US politics as I am UK politics

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« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2005, 09:43:02 PM »


I think Mr. Blair is great but I will be hoping for major Labour losses in the upcoming elections. Plus, telling people to vote Labour because they're the party of Blair (who is a great ally) doesn't make all that much sense seeing that his own party might be getting rid of him.

Vote Tory!  Smiley

Phil, IDS was an awful Conservative leader, only the typical Tory voter liked him and that makes up a tiny minority of the country, not enough to win a general election.

We've had this argument before. Most believe he was terrible while I enjoyed seeing him as leader. I might be the only person on the planet who likes him but oh well.

By the way, I am kidding when I say that he'll be back, rule Britain, take over the world, etc.  Smiley  I know it's not happening.
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« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2005, 03:59:49 AM »

IDS nearly became Pope
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« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2005, 05:09:54 PM »


He would have made an excellent Pope.  Tongue
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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2005, 11:36:55 PM »

He's making his way back to the leadership!  Smiley

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4496811.stm
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