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« on: April 23, 2005, 01:49:33 AM »


Other than Jeb Bush, I dont think anyone has a prayer of winning the election on the Republican side, against HIllary.  Most of the Senators, though I like some, are weak candidates.  The governors are all weak as well.  I dont think we're going to win in 2008, unless we draft Jeb.  Thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2005, 01:57:38 AM »

Jeb Bush has no respect for the law as evidenced by his sending the national guad to seize Schiavo, and only called them off after the town said they were going to resist with their police officers, and the hospital said they weren't handing her over without a court order.

Oh, and anyone who asks their daddy to admit someone to this country who blew up a civilian plane killing 73 people might be just a bit weak on terrorism.
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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2005, 01:59:10 AM »

I disagree that about the governors (other than Bush) being weak.  Owens, Sanford, and Pawlenty would all be fine candidates and I think all three of them would match up well against Hillary.  Traditionally, our best candidates don't come from the Senate so I wouldn't even look there.  Exception maybe for Allen.  I wouldn't like Bush as a candidate because there are many Americans who will balk at putting another Bush into office which would give the family 16 out of 24 years by the time his term is up.  A lot can happen in 3 1/2 years so I wouldn't worry so much.  You're going to get an ulcer Tongue
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2005, 02:00:55 AM »

The GOP has a deep bench. I'm not concerned-- yet.
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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2005, 11:42:02 AM »
« Edited: April 23, 2005, 12:14:21 PM by nickshepDEM »

Personally I think 2008 presidential election will be the Democrats election to lose.  People like change.  Even if things are going well.
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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2005, 12:06:25 PM »

Personally I think 2008 presidential election will be the Democrats to lose.  People like change.  Even if things are going well.

If people like change why would the Democrats lose? Tongue
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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2005, 12:15:28 PM »

People would have to be crazy to elect another Republican in 2008. Although it doesn't mean it won't happen.
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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2005, 12:46:16 PM »

I wouldn't be too worried at all.  The Republicans have plenty of choices - they just don't know it yet.

Remember that the Democratic party were in the same position following the 1988 election.  They didn't really have any clue who they'd put up for 1992.  Then lo and behold Bill Clinton comes out of nowhere and takes it back for them.  I know that's an odd comparison considering it's the Republicans we're talking about, but the point is that when there's no front-runner at this stage of things (and we still have three years before the primaries!!!), you can always rely on the dark-horse.

In any case, I still wouldn't go saying that 1. Hillary is guaranteed the nomination, and 2. she is guaranteed to win the election.
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2005, 01:21:59 PM »

I think someone overestimates Hitlery's popularity a bit much.
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2005, 12:26:32 AM »

Republicans should do fine as long as they don't nominate anyone in the W crowd.  I don't think anything's gonna bring his job apporval rating up.  I consider him a neoconservative.  They'll probably need to go with a classical conservative, or a moderate Republican.  Hillary is just the media's flavor of the month.  She'll dry up though before 2008 even comes around.
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2005, 01:13:10 AM »

I think Hillary would be a poor choice.  Her claim to fame is her relationship with a former president - she's just barely more qualified than Bush was when he took office.

As I loathe nepotism and cronyism, there are only a few Republicans severe enough to convince me to vote for Hillary (Jeb would probably send me running to a third party, Sanitorium or Robertson might convince me to hold my nose and vote if she were the nominee though.)

Both parties have a broad swath of potential candidates who are successful in their own right, covering a variety of positions.
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2005, 10:18:51 AM »

The Republicans do have a deep bench.  Like has been said before in this post, there are still 2 years 9 months until Iowa and New Hampshire.  The race for 2006 is just now getting started across the country. 

I don't think Hillary has much of a shot on being the nominee.  To me, the most likely Democrat candidates are Evan Bayh or John Edwards and maybe John Kerry again.

I've said this and I'll say it again, the Democrats would be best served to move away from the Clinton era and the Republicans would be best served to move away from the Bush era.  Come January 20, 2009, America will be longing for a fresh, younger face in the White House from either party.

If Hillary does become the 44th President and serves 8 years, that means that we would have only had two names in the White House for 28 straight years (1989-2017).  As it is, it will be 20 straight years when Bush leaves office in 2009.  As for those two names being close to the White House if Hillary is elected for two terms, it will have been 36 years (1981-2017) because Bush 41 was Reagan's Vice President.
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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2005, 01:08:50 PM »

The Republicans do have a deep bench.  Like has been said before in this post, there are still 2 years 9 months until Iowa and New Hampshire.  The race for 2006 is just now getting started across the country. 

I don't think Hillary has much of a shot on being the nominee.  To me, the most likely Democrat candidates are Evan Bayh or John Edwards and maybe John Kerry again.

I've said this and I'll say it again, the Democrats would be best served to move away from the Clinton era and the Republicans would be best served to move away from the Bush era.  Come January 20, 2009, America will be longing for a fresh, younger face in the White House from either party.

If Hillary does become the 44th President and serves 8 years, that means that we would have only had two names in the White House for 28 straight years (1989-2017).  As it is, it will be 20 straight years when Bush leaves office in 2009.  As for those two names being close to the White House if Hillary is elected for two terms, it will have been 36 years (1981-2017) because Bush 41 was Reagan's Vice President.

It's also the case that every GOP ticket since Watergate has had either a Bush or a Dole on it. Bob Dole was the VP nominee in 1976 and for Pres in 1996.
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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2005, 01:58:33 PM »

The Republicans do have a deep bench. Like has been said before in this post, there are still 2 years 9 months until Iowa and New Hampshire. The race for 2006 is just now getting started across the country.

I don't think Hillary has much of a shot on being the nominee. To me, the most likely Democrat candidates are Evan Bayh or John Edwards and maybe John Kerry again.

I've said this and I'll say it again, the Democrats would be best served to move away from the Clinton era and the Republicans would be best served to move away from the Bush era. Come January 20, 2009, America will be longing for a fresh, younger face in the White House from either party.

If Hillary does become the 44th President and serves 8 years, that means that we would have only had two names in the White House for 28 straight years (1989-2017). As it is, it will be 20 straight years when Bush leaves office in 2009. As for those two names being close to the White House if Hillary is elected for two terms, it will have been 36 years (1981-2017) because Bush 41 was Reagan's Vice President.

It's also the case that every GOP ticket since Watergate has had either a Bush or a Dole on it. Bob Dole was the VP nominee in 1976 and for Pres in 1996.

Good point.  The GOP and Dems need fresh faces
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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2005, 02:30:48 PM »


The stupid thing is that there's hardly a short supply on either side.
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« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2005, 02:31:31 PM »

Will America not be Bush weery come 2008? Aren't two domestically mediocre Bush presidents enough?

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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2005, 09:09:03 PM »

The Republicans do have a deep bench.  Like has been said before in this post, there are still 2 years 9 months until Iowa and New Hampshire.  The race for 2006 is just now getting started across the country. 

I don't think Hillary has much of a shot on being the nominee.  To me, the most likely Democrat candidates are Evan Bayh or John Edwards and maybe John Kerry again.

I've said this and I'll say it again, the Democrats would be best served to move away from the Clinton era and the Republicans would be best served to move away from the Bush era.  Come January 20, 2009, America will be longing for a fresh, younger face in the White House from either party.

If Hillary does become the 44th President and serves 8 years, that means that we would have only had two names in the White House for 28 straight years (1989-2017).  As it is, it will be 20 straight years when Bush leaves office in 2009.  As for those two names being close to the White House if Hillary is elected for two terms, it will have been 36 years (1981-2017) because Bush 41 was Reagan's Vice President.

It's also the case that every GOP ticket since Watergate has had either a Bush or a Dole on it. Bob Dole was the VP nominee in 1976 and for Pres in 1996.

Elizabeth Dole and Jeb Bush in 2008!!! Tongue  On a serious note, John Kerry is done and thank goodness for that!
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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2005, 09:22:09 PM »

Take this from a Democrat:

If Hillary wins the nomination (god forbid), she will not win the general election unless the Republicans do something extremely stupid.  Republicans shouldn't fear Hillary.  Democrats should.
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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2005, 09:56:34 PM »

Like I've been saying, Hillary has no chance at the White House.  One person is lowering her chances to almost nill.  His name is Bill Clinton.  Americans don't want Bill back in the White House, except just to visit on an invite from the current president.
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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2005, 09:59:08 PM »

Like I've been saying, Hillary has no chance at the White House.  One person is lowering her chances to almost nill.  His name is Bill Clinton.  Americans don't want Bill back in the White House, except just to visit on an invite from the current president.

Actually, this is not entirely true: I believe that, although he's rarely polled for approval now, Bill Clinton has a moderately net-positive approval rating. Hillary Clinton doesn't.
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« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2005, 10:06:46 PM »

I personally have a lot of respect for Bill because of how he handled the Oklahoma City Bombing in 1995.  His image has improved in the almost 5 years since he left office.  Hillary's image on the other hand seems to have dropped a bit in the 5 years she's been in the Senate.

Still, no matter how you cut it, Hillary has virtually no chance at being the 44th President, or even the 45th President.
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« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2005, 10:06:52 PM »

Americans don't want Bill back in the White House, except just to visit on an invite from the current president.

Sh**tttt, this is one American who wouldnt mind seeing Bubba back at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
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« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2005, 11:03:48 PM »

Hillary will only be a threat if she can become a centrist.

And that'll take a lot of work.
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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2008, 06:26:06 PM »

Will America not be Bush weery come 2008? Aren't two domestically mediocre Bush presidents enough?

Dave


I think America might be Bush weary come 2008
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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2008, 06:29:44 PM »

Will America not be Bush weery come 2008? Aren't two domestically mediocre Bush presidents enough?

Dave


I think America might be Bush weary come 2008
You think?
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