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« Reply #525 on: December 20, 2015, 04:05:53 PM »

62% counted, no way. How is it possible? HOW (rhetoric question).
PP 125, PSOE 94, Podemos 62, Ciudadanos 34

Orange water up.
PP+C = 159
PSOE+Pod = 156

Podemos has 69 not 62.

As for 66,78% counted they still have 62.
PP 123 PSOE 94 C's 36


41+12+9+6=68. Yes?
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« Reply #526 on: December 20, 2015, 04:07:05 PM »


But if you add the 2 seats for IU - you get PSOE+Podemos+Iu at 163 - but does it actually matter at all who has more seats PP+C or PSOE+PODEMOS+IU - anyweay you slice it the balance of power is with regional partyies
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« Reply #527 on: December 20, 2015, 04:08:41 PM »

If it's dependent on regional parties, C's will never be part of the government.
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« Reply #528 on: December 20, 2015, 04:10:31 PM »

I am disgusted by the speed of votes counting. Seriously.
75%
PPC's - 160, PSOEDEMOS - 162
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« Reply #529 on: December 20, 2015, 04:11:16 PM »
« Edited: December 20, 2015, 04:14:34 PM by JosepBroz »

Options:
- PP + PSOE; both corrupt, power-hungry parties that want to ensure the government's "job machine" will stay within the same hands
- PP + C's + some nationalist MPs (not all parties have to be in the govt, could be minority)
- PSOE + Podemos + C's (not all parties have to be in the govt, could be minority)
- New elections?

PP and C will not ally with nationalists. They just signed a pact reiterating their opposition to Catalan devolution, which is what harmed C's in peripheries like Andalucia. Anybody who jumps into bed with Rajoy is a pariah to nationalists.
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« Reply #530 on: December 20, 2015, 04:12:44 PM »


But if you add the 2 seats for IU - you get PSOE+Podemos+Iu at 163 - but does it actually matter at all who has more seats PP+C or PSOE+PODEMOS+IU - anyweay you slice it the balance of power is with regional partyies

Of course, although I do feel the bloc (PSOE+Podemos or PP-C) that comes ahead will have the advantage when it comes to government formation.
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« Reply #531 on: December 20, 2015, 04:13:43 PM »


But if you add the 2 seats for IU - you get PSOE+Podemos+Iu at 163 - but does it actually matter at all who has more seats PP+C or PSOE+PODEMOS+IU - anyweay you slice it the balance of power is with regional partyies

Of course, although I do feel the bloc (PSOE+Podemos or PP-C) that comes ahead will have the advantage when it comes to government formation.
Seeing how much the landscape is changing, I don't think this reasoning is really true, this time.
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« Reply #532 on: December 20, 2015, 04:13:48 PM »

From the Spanish TV network:


Who are IU-UP?
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« Reply #533 on: December 20, 2015, 04:14:03 PM »

To be fair, PP are running common lists with regionalismts in Aragorn, Asturias and Navarre.

Why has Artur Mas's party flopped so badly?

IU are commies, clyde
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« Reply #534 on: December 20, 2015, 04:15:41 PM »

Any chance of a PSOE/Posemos/C government with PP in opposition?
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« Reply #535 on: December 20, 2015, 04:15:58 PM »

To be fair, PP are running common lists with regionalismts in Aragorn, Asturias and Navarre.

Why has Artur Mas's party flopped so badly?

IU are commies, clyde
Thanks.

Possibly ERC haven't done so well, as the pro-independence Catalans are putting their support being Podemos in the hope of getting a referendum?
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« Reply #536 on: December 20, 2015, 04:16:06 PM »

From the Spanish TV network:


Who are IU-UP?

Izquierda Unida and an affiliate.

Funny how they form the colours of the Republican flag.
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« Reply #537 on: December 20, 2015, 04:20:46 PM »

80%
PPC's - 160 PSOE-Pod. 161
UPyD still loses to the animal party with cute cow/bull on logo
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« Reply #538 on: December 20, 2015, 04:20:54 PM »

To be fair, PP are running common lists with regionalismts in Aragorn, Asturias and Navarre.

Why has Artur Mas's party flopped so badly?

IU are commies, clyde
Thanks.

Possibly ERC haven't done so well, as the pro-independence Catalans are putting their support being Podemos in the hope of getting a referendum?

ERC is not Mas' party.  That would be DiL.
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« Reply #539 on: December 20, 2015, 04:20:56 PM »

How many of the 9 seats from ERC-Catalunya so que ES pot on the list are part of Podemos (the latter, so que ES pot is Podemos in Catalonia)?
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« Reply #540 on: December 20, 2015, 04:21:45 PM »

Any chance of a PSOE/Posemos/C government with PP in opposition?
We're pretty much all in the dark here.

Left-wing, in any way : PSOE+Podemos+ERC+IU-UP(Izquierda Unida - Unidad Popular)+EHBildu = 173
Right-wing, in any way : PP+C's+DiL+EAJ/PNV+CC = 177, but it's impossible.

Absolute majority at 176.
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« Reply #541 on: December 20, 2015, 04:23:43 PM »

Guys, nationalists cannot be separated into left or right camps, and this isn't like Scandinavian election where all the left or right aggregate. This is a first in Spain and we should treat it as such. There is no way the left-right divide stands though.
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« Reply #542 on: December 20, 2015, 04:24:26 PM »

Any chance of a PSOE/Posemos/C government with PP in opposition?

It would put C's in a tight spot. (well any government would put C's in a tight spot, considering they are a transparently vacant party) PODEMOS support a referendum in Catalonia, which C's oppose under all circumstances.

I've gotta admit a lot of my predictions were right, but the closeness still surprises me. Perhaps Sanchez will be PM, although I doubt he will be for very long.

It seems the key is DL/PNV IMO. I wonder what demands they will make of the government?
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« Reply #543 on: December 20, 2015, 04:26:01 PM »

To be fair, PP are running common lists with regionalismts in Aragorn, Asturias and Navarre.

Why has Artur Mas's party flopped so badly?

IU are commies, clyde
Thanks.

Possibly ERC haven't done so well, as the pro-independence Catalans are putting their support being Podemos in the hope of getting a referendum?

ERC is not Mas' party.  That would be DiL.
Just checked Mas's CDC is part of the DiL alliance (as you say), which is where I got muddled.
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« Reply #544 on: December 20, 2015, 04:29:30 PM »

Wow El Pais wbsite gives results down to municipality. that's hot as fyck
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« Reply #545 on: December 20, 2015, 04:31:57 PM »
« Edited: December 20, 2015, 04:33:32 PM by jaichind »

PSOE+Podemos 162 (42.81% vote share) PP-C 160 (42.36% vote share)
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« Reply #546 on: December 20, 2015, 04:33:16 PM »

Why is the Senate election producing a PP majority, with Podemos and C's getting next to nothing?
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« Reply #547 on: December 20, 2015, 04:33:44 PM »

Why is the Senate election producing a PP majority, with Podemos and C's getting next to nothing?

Most likely FPTP
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« Reply #548 on: December 20, 2015, 04:34:06 PM »

That map on El Pais looks bad. Why people do such things. Worse than UK map made from hexes on BBC as far as I remember.
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« Reply #549 on: December 20, 2015, 04:35:11 PM »

PSOE+Podemos 161 PP-C 161
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