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« on: January 01, 2015, 06:53:14 PM »



John Edward/Brian Schweitzer 419
John McCain/Tim Pawlentey     119


This map might seem a bit farfetched but consider it this way. Butterfly out Edwards meeting Rielle Hunter and say Obama doesn't run, deciding that it's too soon. Without Obama in the race Edwards picks up the bulk of the anti-war and netroots support on the left and upsets Hillary. Without Obama as the Democratic nominee there's less pressure on McCain to do something out of left field so he goes with the conventional establishment choice of Tim Pawlentey which does nothing to excite the base. Edwards picks Brian Schweitzer to help him in the west and solidify his working class populist message. Running a populist "two americas" campaign in the aftermath of the 2008 crash with McCain floundering and low GOP enthusiasm allows Edwards to win a landslide victory, doing well in the places that Obama didn't.
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« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2015, 07:27:06 PM »

Edwards won't win New Hampshire, Connecticut, Virginia, New Jersey, Delaware or Maine that way, stands to lose Florida.

All of the South and Flyover Country are Solidly Atlas Blue, and Schweitzer is a foot-in-mouther.

And McCain is moderate, so he'll probably pull out and get Nevada, Colorado, Montana, Missouri, Pennsylvania, and Ohio.

No, Edwards is the worst choice against McCain.

Your map fits a Mit Romney vs John Edwards campaign better.
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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2015, 08:06:16 PM »
« Edited: January 01, 2015, 08:09:42 PM by Libertarian Socialist Dem »

Edwards won't win New Hampshire, Connecticut, Virginia, New Jersey, Delaware or Maine that way, stands to lose Florida.

All of the South and Flyover Country are Solidly Atlas Blue, and Schweitzer is a foot-in-mouther.

And McCain is moderate, so he'll probably pull out and get Nevada, Colorado, Montana, Missouri, Pennsylvania, and Ohio.

No, Edwards is the worst choice against McCain.

Your map fits a Mit Romney vs John Edwards campaign better.


Why would Edwards do worse in that much of the northeast and swing states? Keep in mind how unpopular the Republicans were after the 2008 crash. Also in 2008 a white Democrat still could have won in Appalachia even if it's out of reach now.
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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2015, 08:15:29 PM »

Edwards vs Romney would be interesting also, and probably an even bigger landslide since in the anti-Wall Street mood of 2008 Romney would be seen as representing everything wrong with corporate America. I think that could even end up being a 1932 or 1980 sized margin of victory.
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« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2015, 08:16:03 PM »

If Obama didn't run, Hillary probably would have defeated Edwards in the primary. But assuming that didn't happen, Edwards, like Hillary, would've done much better in Appalachia. But he'd do even better than she would have since he's white AND male AND Southern. After the economic crash, it would be a landslide.



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« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2015, 08:17:21 PM »

Edwards won't win New Hampshire, Connecticut, Virginia, New Jersey, Delaware or Maine that way, stands to lose Florida.

All of the South and Flyover Country are Solidly Atlas Blue, and Schweitzer is a foot-in-mouther.

And McCain is moderate, so he'll probably pull out and get Nevada, Colorado, Montana, Missouri, Pennsylvania, and Ohio.

No, Edwards is the worst choice against McCain.

Your map fits a Mit Romney vs John Edwards campaign better.

Did you forget about the economic crash? After that, a piece of dog sh**t (D) would've crushed McCain in states like CT, NJ, DE, ME, etc.
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« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2015, 08:21:46 PM »
« Edited: January 02, 2015, 01:06:15 AM by Libertarian Socialist Dem »



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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2015, 05:37:48 AM »

Edwards vs. McCain with Rielle Hunter as the October surprise is more interesting IMO. If Edwards survives the initial fallout to barely scrape by, he could end up a target for impeachment practically as soon as he is inaugurated. Or if McCain won, Congress would still presumably be pretty heavily Democratic, so the conflict between the President and Congress would be interesting.
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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2015, 01:19:18 PM »

Edwards vs. McCain with Rielle Hunter as the October surprise is more interesting IMO. If Edwards survives the initial fallout to barely scrape by, he could end up a target for impeachment practically as soon as he is inaugurated. Or if McCain won, Congress would still presumably be pretty heavily Democratic, so the conflict between the President and Congress would be interesting.

They probably would've "taken care of her" Amanda Tanner-style (Scandal)
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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2015, 09:18:46 PM »

I'm sorry, but there's no way that 08 would have been the wave year it was with Edwards on the ticket and the Rielle Hunter thing breaking as an October surprise.  Republican turnout disaffected with Bush would've skyrocketed and socially independants would swing hard towards McCain.  That's enough for, if not a reasonable victory, at least a respectable defeat for John McCain.  Not only that, but I think it's fair to assume close down-ballot races elections otl (NH, MN, and NC senate, plus a few house races) swing the other way.  Still comfortable control of Congress for Dems, but nowhere near otl's landslide
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2015, 02:16:08 AM »

I'm sorry, but there's no way that 08 would have been the wave year it was with Edwards on the ticket and the Rielle Hunter thing breaking as an October surprise.  Republican turnout disaffected with Bush would've skyrocketed and socially independants would swing hard towards McCain.  That's enough for, if not a reasonable victory, at least a respectable defeat for John McCain.  Not only that, but I think it's fair to assume close down-ballot races elections otl (NH, MN, and NC senate, plus a few house races) swing the other way.  Still comfortable control of Congress for Dems, but nowhere near otl's landslide

The hypothetical says the affair never happened.
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