Underage Sex Morality

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

well even if opebo were a British citizen, I doubt the British government could arrest him for having sex with prostitutes in Thailand, and even if it was legal it doesn't seem like it'd be high on their priority list.

The British government can do this, though I have no idea how much they enforce it.

that's a little worrisome. Does that mean they can arrest people who take weekend trips to the Netherlands and spend the whole weekend stoned? I heard that was common for college students near the Channel.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Does that mean they can arrest people who take weekend trips to the Netherlands and spend the whole weekend stoned?

No, because Cannabis was reclassified as a class "C" drug (which basically means it's illegal but not a police priority at all... although there's a chance it might get moved back to "B" soon) although drug dealers have been arrested in Amsterdam in the past.

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Quite a long way to go to get high; tuther side of the Channel is France. Netherlands is on other side of the North Sea. And most of the ports on the North Sea have more than enough drugs to go round as it is...

[Peter]

well even if opebo were a British citizen, I doubt the British government could arrest him for having sex with prostitutes in Thailand, and even if it was legal it doesn't seem like it'd be high on their priority list.

The British government can do this, though I have no idea how much they enforce it.

that's a little worrisome. Does that mean they can arrest people who take weekend trips to the Netherlands and spend the whole weekend stoned? I heard that was common for college students near the Channel.

To my knowledge it only applies to serious offences: It applies to sexual offences under the Sexual Offences Act of 2003.

I would seriously doubt that the government has legislated to extend it to drug taking.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I would seriously doubt that the government has legislated to extend it to drug taking.

People can be (and are) extridited though

[Peter]

I would seriously doubt that the government has legislated to extend it to drug taking.

People can be (and are) extridited though

Extradition is an entirely different kettle of fish to criminal proceedings relating to activity abroad. Theoretically I could be extradited to Spain for unpaid parking fines (if I had any, which I don't). In the cited example, Holland has no laws against cannabis use, so it wouldn't be possible to extradite a citizen there since there are no criminal accusations under Dutch Law.

The list for which you can be prosecuted is very short and is I think just war crimes, murder and serious sexual offences and a collection of specific terrorist offences.

[TeePee4Prez]

opebo sounds like one of those freaks who supports giving special Viagra pills to kids so that they mature faster and be sold into prostitution at age 11.  Freedom fighting fun for everyone.

Never heard of this about Viagra.  Is this one of your fantasies or some urban myth?  I should've thought that anyone who preferred children would want them to not mature or to mature more slowly, not faster.  Besides, the whole idea of people being 'sold' into prostitution is rather silly, given that it is a lucrative job.  We don't hear of people being sold into other well paid, easy jobs.

The point I was trying to make before is you are going off the deep end.  Selling children into prostitution is a horrible crime.  Yes, it does happen frequently in Latin America and Asia and there are cases where these children end up in our own streets.  I will NEVER condone selling children into sex slavery.

[opebo]

opebo sounds like one of those freaks who supports giving special Viagra pills to kids so that they mature faster and be sold into prostitution at age 11.  Freedom fighting fun for everyone.

Never heard of this about Viagra.  Is this one of your fantasies or some urban myth?  I should've thought that anyone who preferred children would want them to not mature or to mature more slowly, not faster.  Besides, the whole idea of people being 'sold' into prostitution is rather silly, given that it is a lucrative job.  We don't hear of people being sold into other well paid, easy jobs.

The point I was trying to make before is you are going off the deep end.  Selling children into prostitution is a horrible crime.  Yes, it does happen frequently in Latin America and Asia and there are cases where these children end up in our own streets.  I will NEVER condone selling children into sex slavery.

Of course not, who would?  The point is that it is both a red herring and a straw man.  In the real world prostitution is a large industry characterized by three main factors:
1) eager participation of women due to high earnings
2) enormous male demand
3) government persecution

Children and slavery really have little to do with it.  Besides, I don't think reasonable countries definie post-pubescents as 'children'.

[patrick1]

OK Opebo, the civilized world is unreasonable because they wish to protect 14 year olds from lecherous perverts.

Opebo the bastard child of greed and nihilism.

[??????????]

OK Opebo, the civilized world is unreasonable because they wish to protect 14 year olds from lecherous perverts.

Opebo the bastard child of greed and nihilism.

Freedom hating prude!

[Rob]

OK Opebo, the civilized world is unreasonable because they wish to protect 14 year olds from lecherous perverts.

Opebo the bastard child of greed and nihilism.

Freedom hating prude!

Yes, only a religious would want to ban child prostitution...

[opebo]

OK Opebo, the civilized world is unreasonable because they wish to protect 14 year olds from lecherous perverts.

Opebo the bastard child of greed and nihilism.

Freedom hating prude!

Yes, only a religious would want to ban child prostitution...

Freedom doesn't mean just what you like, it means tolerating what others like as well.  Obviously you all advocate a much less free society than I do. 

[minionofmidas]

I was just reminded of a short story by German author Vladimir Kaminer (who is a Russian immigrant, but writes in German). It's about this half-Iranian friend of his who is an actor and gets a job (playing theatre) in a small town...anyways the lines I was reminded of were:
"There were virtually no other foreigners there. In fact, the only place where Jakob found any foreigners was in the brothel. Not that they were seeking enjoyment there - oh no. They were working hard for their living."
Goes on with some [non-correct] stuff about any German town over a certain population may legally have a brothel, the place in question had just grown over that size, and the owner of the brothel (which of cours had existed long before) put up some advertising at the door. "Immediately a citizen's activist group formed to protest against the brothel. 'Our children can not feel safe anymore' its spokesman proclaimed. The advertisement was taken down again."

[opebo]

I was just reminded of a short story by German author Vladimir Kaminer (who is a Russian immigrant, but writes in German). It's about this half-Iranian friend of his who is an actor and gets a job (playing theatre) in a small town...anyways the lines I was reminded of were:
"There were virtually no other foreigners there. In fact, the only place where Jakob found any foreigners was in the brothel. Not that they were seeking enjoyment there - oh no. They were working hard for their living."
Goes on with some [non-correct] stuff about any German town over a certain population may legally have a brothel, the place in question had just grown over that size, and the owner of the brothel (which of cours had existed long before) put up some advertising at the door. "Immediately a citizen's activist group formed to protest against the brothel. 'Our children can not feel safe anymore' its spokesman proclaimed. The advertisement was taken down again."

Good story Trondheim.  These prudes are oppressing the hedonists.  Alas in most countries - certainly the US - the brothel would never have exsisted in the first place.

[WalterMitty]

OK Opebo, the civilized world is unreasonable because they wish to protect 14 year olds from lecherous perverts.

Opebo the bastard child of greed and nihilism.

Freedom hating prude!

Yes, only a religious would want to ban child prostitution...

Freedom doesn't mean just what you like, it means tolerating what others like as well.  Obviously you all advocate a much less free society than I do. 

youre right.  but you do understand that we cant let people abuse others just because they might like it.

you do realize you are talking about victims, not some abstract idea.  sexual molestation ruins their life.

[opebo]

OK Opebo, the civilized world is unreasonable because they wish to protect 14 year olds from lecherous perverts.

Opebo the bastard child of greed and nihilism.

Freedom hating prude!

Yes, only a religious would want to ban child prostitution...

Freedom doesn't mean just what you like, it means tolerating what others like as well.  Obviously you all advocate a much less free society than I do. 

youre right.  but you do understand that we cant let people abuse others just because they might like it.

you do realize you are talking about victims, not some abstract idea.  sexual molestation ruins their life.

I tend to think that sexual repression ruins lives - in fact the great majority of lives.  'Molestation' is small potatos compared to that.  And in any case the world molestation should not be used to refer to sex w ith post-pubescents, who are of course sexually mature.

[John Dibble]

OK Opebo, the civilized world is unreasonable because they wish to protect 14 year olds from lecherous perverts.

Opebo the bastard child of greed and nihilism.

Freedom hating prude!

Yes, only a religious would want to ban child prostitution...

Freedom doesn't mean just what you like, it means tolerating what others like as well.  Obviously you all advocate a much less free society than I do. 

youre right.  but you do understand that we cant let people abuse others just because they might like it.

you do realize you are talking about victims, not some abstract idea.  sexual molestation ruins their life.

I tend to think that sexual repression ruins lives - in fact the great majority of lives.  'Molestation' is small potatos compared to that.  And in any case the world molestation should not be used to refer to sex w ith post-pubescents, who are of course sexually mature.

14 year olds are not generally post-pubescent.

[opebo]

OK Opebo, the civilized world is unreasonable because they wish to protect 14 year olds from lecherous perverts.

Opebo the bastard child of greed and nihilism.

Freedom hating prude!

Yes, only a religious would want to ban child prostitution...

Freedom doesn't mean just what you like, it means tolerating what others like as well.  Obviously you all advocate a much less free society than I do. 

youre right.  but you do understand that we cant let people abuse others just because they might like it.

you do realize you are talking about victims, not some abstract idea.  sexual molestation ruins their life.

I tend to think that sexual repression ruins lives - in fact the great majority of lives.  'Molestation' is small potatos compared to that.  And in any case the world molestation should not be used to refer to sex w ith post-pubescents, who are of course sexually mature.

14 year olds are not generally post-pubescent.

Yes, nearly all are.

[John Dibble]

OK Opebo, the civilized world is unreasonable because they wish to protect 14 year olds from lecherous perverts.

Opebo the bastard child of greed and nihilism.

Freedom hating prude!

Yes, only a religious would want to ban child prostitution...

Freedom doesn't mean just what you like, it means tolerating what others like as well.  Obviously you all advocate a much less free society than I do. 

youre right.  but you do understand that we cant let people abuse others just because they might like it.

you do realize you are talking about victims, not some abstract idea.  sexual molestation ruins their life.

I tend to think that sexual repression ruins lives - in fact the great majority of lives.  'Molestation' is small potatos compared to that.  And in any case the world molestation should not be used to refer to sex w ith post-pubescents, who are of course sexually mature.

14 year olds are not generally post-pubescent.

Yes, nearly all are.

No, they aren't. They are still pubescent. The average male enters the final phase of puberty at about 16, the average female at 15. Note that this is average - there are still many who have yet to complete it at this point.

[ATFFL]

OK Opebo, the civilized world is unreasonable because they wish to protect 14 year olds from lecherous perverts.

Opebo the bastard child of greed and nihilism.

Freedom hating prude!

Yes, only a religious would want to ban child prostitution...

Freedom doesn't mean just what you like, it means tolerating what others like as well.  Obviously you all advocate a much less free society than I do. 

youre right.  but you do understand that we cant let people abuse others just because they might like it.

you do realize you are talking about victims, not some abstract idea.  sexual molestation ruins their life.

I tend to think (snip)

I believe that you have posted enough that I can prove that you, in fact, do not think to satisfy any reasonable court.

[??????????]

bump for hilarity

[PBrunsel]

bump for hilarity

You can say the hillarity part again. This has to be the most comical debate about morals I have ever read.

[Joe Republic]

I usually feel sorry for the victim of "all against one" debates such as this one, but Opebo has the most bizarre interpretations of freedom I have ever seen.

[opebo]

I usually feel sorry for the victim of "all against one" debates such as this one, but Opebo has the most bizarre interpretations of freedom I have ever seen.

Bizarre?  My definition of freedom is pretty standard.

[??????????]

I usually feel sorry for the victim of "all against one" debates such as this one, but Opebo has the most bizarre interpretations of freedom I have ever seen.

Bizarre?  My definition of freedom is pretty standard.

John Couey agrees, btw.

[opebo]

I usually feel sorry for the victim of "all against one" debates such as this one, but Opebo has the most bizarre interpretations of freedom I have ever seen.

Bizarre?  My definition of freedom is pretty standard.

John Couey agrees, btw.

It is possible that living in a highly unfree society was one of many causative factors in Couey's crime.