New Pope is a former Hitler Youth...?

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Please produce better lies than claiming the Catholic Center Party supported Hitler. Make them lies at least some people would be dumb enough to believe, well, aside from your communist-addled selves.

Hey, dummy, next time you call out someone on a lie, you might want to check to see whether they're right first. Typical lying Republican.



MARCH 23, 1933
THE REICHSTAG (GERMAN PARLIAMENT) VOTES LEGISLATIVE POWER TO HITLER

After the failure of the Nazi party to win a majority in parliament, Adolf Hitler introduces a bill that would give his government legislative authority. The Nazis, the Conservatives, and the Catholic Center Party support this so-called "Enabling Act," which would grant Hitler's government the power to decree laws without a vote in parliament for a four-year period. Communist and many Socialist opponents were arrested before the vote. In the end, only the remaining Socialists oppose the measure. The bill passes. Hitler soon outlaws all political parties in Germany--except the Nazi party.

http://www.ushmm.org/outreach/nrulechr.htm

[opebo]

Please produce better lies than claiming the Catholic Center Party supported Hitler. Make them lies at least some people would be dumb enough to believe, well, aside from your communist-addled selves.

Why wouldn't they?  They had the same goals.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

An 'ex'-Nazi like Ratzinger .

That's not fair. I don't like him, but that's going too far.

[opebo]

An 'ex'-Nazi like Ratzinger .

That's not fair. I don't like him, but that's going too far.

A little hyperbolic, I'll admit.  I just see a lot of similarities between the two organizations, from my perspective.

[Brandon H]

If someone is intent on hating someone / something (such as the Catholic Church) then they will find a way to do it, regardless of whether or not they have their facts correct. There is no point in arguing with them. All you can do is pray for them.

We know where Ratzinger, rather Benedict XVI (that will take some getting use to), stands on most issues, which is similar to John Paul. Had God wanted the Church to go in a different direction, then the Cardinals would have been guided to vote for someone else.

[opebo]

We know where Ratzinger, rather Benedict XVI (that will take some getting use to), stands on most issues, which is similar to John Paul. Had God wanted the Church to go in a different direction, then the Cardinals would have been guided to vote for someone else.

'God' doesn't exist.  But as a figment I suppose you can imagine him to want all sorts of things, in your imagination.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Give me proof or shut yer gob

[opebo]

Give me proof or shut yer gob

I could say the same.

[John Dibble]

Give me proof or shut yer gob

I could say the same.

Yes, you could. But you thinking there is no God is based entirely on faith.

[phk]

If you can't prove that God exists, than its not completely faith.

I can find a command on a bathroom wall that says call 555-555-555 for hot sex, that has more credibility than god.

[opebo]

Give me proof or shut yer gob

I could say the same.

Yes, you could. But you thinking there is no God is based entirely on faith.

Yes, I suppose one makes all sorts of assumptions as one goes along, based on the evidence.  For example I don't expect the bogey monster under the bed anymore.   Can I 'prove' his non-exsistence?   No.  But the very idea of god is nonsensical psychobabble.

[J. J.]

Another:

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At times, DU is better political satire than The Onion.

One question I have: why would Bush care one way or another regarding who the pope is?

Well the Catholic Church is one of the pillars of conservative social  control in the world - fighting sex, hedonism, freedom, secularism, science, etc.  So it is one of his natural allies.  An 'ex'-Nazi like Ratzinger is ideal.

1.  I was not a fan of Cardinal Ratzinger.  I'll reserve judgment on Benedict XVI.

2.  It's pretty clear that neither he (who was too young to join the Nazi Party) nor his family (who were threatened by SA in the mid-1930's) were Nazis.

3.  The Church was divided.  There were Catholics, including the higher clergy, that supported the Nazis.  There were Catholics, including the higher clergy, that opposed the Nazis.

[J. J.]

If you can't prove that God exists, than its not completely faith.

I can find a command on a bathroom wall that says call 555-555-555 for hot sex, that has more credibility than god.

You can prove or disprove that by dialing the number (or realizing that the 555 prefix doesn't exist, except for information).  Prove or disprove the existence of God.  What opinion you are finally left with is called faith.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

But the very idea of god is nonsensical psychobabble.

Prove it or shut up. I'm not forcing my beliefs on you so unless you have some evidence to back up that statement and others like it, put a sock it dummy.

[Kodratos]

The church didn't oppose the Nazis.

Pius XI publically dissed the Nazis by having anti-Nazi statements read from every Catholic pulpit in Germany. It was at great risk to the clergy in the country to do so.

Pius XII publicly opposed Hitler but didn't denounce the holocaust for fear of having Catholics suffer the same fate as Jews.

So please, before you start this ridiculous anti-Catholic diatribe, learn your facts.

[ATFFL]

The church didn't oppose the Nazis.

Partisan Democrats certainly do include jFraud and this is evidenced by his continual posts trying to bag every and any Republican.

I back up what I say with evidence, unlike a lot of the Republicans. 

Doth I see a contradiction?  Me thinks I do.

[12th Doctor]

The church didn't oppose the Nazis.

You are so full of sh**t.  I'm tired of this lie.  Not only was Pius XII responsable for saving thousands of Jewish lives, but if is a known fact that he used papal representatives to help coordinate the assasination plot against Hitler.


http://www.catholicleague.org/pius/dalin.htm

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/piusdef.html

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=\Politics\archive\200109\POL20010904a.html

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/facts/fm0020.html

http://www.kensmen.com/catholic/hitler.html

Here is a quote from Joseph Goebbles

"It's a dirty, low thing to do for the Catholic Church to continue its subversive activity in every way possible and now even to extend its propaganda to Protestant children evacuated from the regions threatened by air raids. Next to the Jews these politico-divines are about the most loathsome riffraff that we are still sheltering in the Reich. The time will come after the war for an over-all solution of this problem."
Joseph Goebbels's diary, 26 March 1942 (Lochner, The Goebbels Diaries, 1948, p. 146)

Not to mention Hilter's Assasination plot against Pius XII, Hitler's mass executions of Catholic priests and nuns and Pius XII secret Papal bathroom meetings with the head Rabbi of Rome.

[12th Doctor]

Please produce better lies than claiming the Catholic Center Party supported Hitler. Make them lies at least some people would be dumb enough to believe, well, aside from your communist-addled selves.

Hey, dummy, next time you call out someone on a lie, you might want to check to see whether they're right first. Typical lying Republican.



MARCH 23, 1933
THE REICHSTAG (GERMAN PARLIAMENT) VOTES LEGISLATIVE POWER TO HITLER

After the failure of the Nazi party to win a majority in parliament, Adolf Hitler introduces a bill that would give his government legislative authority. The Nazis, the Conservatives, and the Catholic Center Party support this so-called "Enabling Act," which would grant Hitler's government the power to decree laws without a vote in parliament for a four-year period. Communist and many Socialist opponents were arrested before the vote. In the end, only the remaining Socialists oppose the measure. The bill passes. Hitler soon outlaws all political parties in Germany--except the Nazi party.

http://www.ushmm.org/outreach/nrulechr.htm

WOW... what evidence.  All the parties supported the same act.  That is dynamite right there.  Why not look at the list of priests and nuns who were killed by the Nazis instead?  Keep drinking the Kool-aid

[12th Doctor]

Here's another good site.

http://pioxii.150m.com/enartic.htm

Of course, no one will bother to read any of this.  Instead, they prefere to believe the version of history that was started by this fictional (the author acctually admitted as much) play.

http://www.catholicleague.org/research/deputy.htm

And here is another quote from Hitler

"[Pius] is the only human being who has always contradicted me and who has never obeyed me."

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

OK people, ever heard of the Ustase? They were the fascist party in Yugoslavia made up of Catholic Croats and a Nazi ally. Their goals were to eliminate all Orthodox Serbs in Yugoslavia, either by forcing them to convert to Catholicism, expelling them or simply killing them. Read up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ustase
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involvement_of_Croatian_Catholic_clergy_with_the_Ustasa_regime

And what about Italy? It was Hitler's largest European ally. And what about Franco's Spain? Many former Nazis took refuge there after the war. And they were both Catholic nations. What about the Nazi puppet regime in Slovakia? It was ran by Josef Tizo, a former Catholic priest and a Catholic clerical fascist. Many Catholic clerical fascists had ties to the Nazis.

[Jake]

Ok, just because Iraq was Islamic doesn't mean Islam is terrible. Just because Hitler was German doesn't mean all Germans were bad. Just because Stalin was a Communist doesn't mean all Communists were bad. You argue like opebo so times.  Just go get drunk and leave.

[12th Doctor]

OK people, ever heard of the Ustase? They were the fascist party in Yugoslavia made up of Catholic Croats and a Nazi ally. Their goals were to eliminate all Orthodox Serbs in Yugoslavia, either by forcing them to convert to Catholicism, expelling them or simply killing them. Read up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ustase
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involvement_of_Croatian_Catholic_clergy_with_the_Ustasa_regime

And what about Italy? It was Hitler's largest European ally. And what about Franco's Spain? Many former Nazis took refuge there after the war. And they were both Catholic nations. What about the Nazi puppet regime in Slovakia? It was ran by Josef Tizo, a former Catholic priest and a Catholic clerical fascist. Many Catholic clerical fascists had ties to the Nazis.

So?  What is your point?  You look at some of the clergy who liked the facists and stick a finger at that, while ignoring the thousands of priests who were jailed and imprisioned, and the fact that the Pope himself was anti-Nazi.  Yeah, there were "Catholics" who favored the Nazis, but they were no more Catholic than those people who are "Catholic" who disparage the Church today.

P.S.  It is true that many millions of Poles hated Jews.  Karol Wojtyła was not one of them.

Post-P.S.  The Netherlands, Belgium and France were Catholic countries too, and those people fought bravely against the Nazis

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Well yes but there were many fascists in those countries that supported the Nazis, and they were Catholic clerical fascists. Look up the Rexist movement in Belgium, and of course there was the government of Vichy France. I think it's ridiculous to claim that Nazi Germany was anti-Catholic when most of its allies not only tolerated Catholicism, but imposed it. In fact, the only countries allied with Nazi Germany that weren't Catholic were Japan and Romania. Yes there were many Catholics that opposed the Nazis, but they were not clerical fascists.

[Jake]

Well yes but there were many fascists in those countries that supported the Nazis, and they were Catholic clerical fascists. Look up the Rexist movement in Belgium, and of course there was the government of Vichy France. I think it's ridiculous to claim that Nazi Germany was anti-Catholic when most of its allies not only tolerated Catholicism, but imposed it. In fact, the only countries allied with Nazi Germany that weren't Catholic were Japan and Romania. Yes there were many Catholics that opposed the Nazis, but they were not clerical fascists.

Lots of Democrats are assholes, doesn't mean the whole party is made up of assholes.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I'm not saying all Catholics supported the Nazis. I don't see where I said that.