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« on: November 02, 2014, 11:35:41 PM »
« edited: November 02, 2014, 11:39:19 PM by CapoteMonster »

https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/529128829408002050

Interesting to see that Don Young's only up 6 too.
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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2014, 11:36:54 PM »

This is probably good news for Sullivan, considering the fact that the GOP is always underestimated in this state.
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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2014, 11:37:10 PM »

Much closer than I had thought! Maybe the pro-incumbency rule and Begich's groundgame can save him!
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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2014, 11:37:57 PM »

Definitely leaning Sullivan at this point.
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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2014, 11:38:02 PM »

The margin gives us Dems more hope than expected! Not that I expect this poll to make any sense in relation to the final results given that GOP pollsters have begich up and left leaning ones have Sullivan. Messy state to poll.
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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2014, 11:38:37 PM »

This is probably good news for Sullivan, considering the fact that the GOP is always underestimated in this state.
I think it's more an underestimation of incumbents than overestimation of democrats.
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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2014, 11:39:16 PM »

Whoa, this is actually very close considering he was consistently trailing by 3-6 before. This one could go either way.
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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2014, 11:39:31 PM »

Begich can still win this, it's contingent on how good turnout is in the bush. PPP's last poll had Sullivan up by much more than this.
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2014, 11:40:09 PM »

The sheer number of basically ties this year is just ridiculous
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2014, 11:40:13 PM »

No, it didn't. The last PPP poll had Begich down 2.
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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2014, 11:41:53 PM »

If the Dems beat polls by 3% and somehow hold CO IA NC while winning Kansas and keeping a majority. Along with winning governors in FL PA WI MI KS, the right's reaction would be just priceless. Of course they'll win a narrow majority and think it's a full throated endorsement of the GOP agenda and then lose the senate right back in 2016.
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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2014, 11:41:56 PM »

Begich will win as Alaska's pro-incumbent rule strikes again!
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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2014, 11:42:54 PM »

God damn the responses to these polls make this board so hard to read sometimes. This forum should be called Election Atlas Forum (D).
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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2014, 11:43:54 PM »

Begichmentum!
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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2014, 11:49:42 PM »

Begich will win as Alaska's pro-incumbent rule strikes again!

The problem with that logic is that Republicans have also been underestimated by the polls in presidential elections too. This is coming from someone who wants Begich to win.
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« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2014, 11:51:20 PM »

Begich will win as Alaska's pro-incumbent rule strikes again!

The problem with that logic is that Republicans have also been underestimated by the polls in presidential elections too. This is coming from someone who wants Begich to win.

Evidence?
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« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2014, 11:53:01 PM »

Begich will win as Alaska's pro-incumbent rule strikes again!

The problem with that logic is that Republicans have also been underestimated by the polls in presidential elections too. This is coming from someone who wants Begich to win.

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The chart in this article ( http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-senate-polling-in-alaska-is-making-us-sweat/ ) indicates that Democrats were seriously overestimated in Alaska presidential polling in 2000 and 2008, at least.
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« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2014, 11:53:13 PM »

History of a 7 point discrepancy between the polls and actual results doesn't matter in Alaska apparently. But you know, Ken Buck. 
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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2014, 11:56:45 PM »

Begich will win as Alaska's pro-incumbent rule strikes again!

The problem with that logic is that Republicans have also been underestimated by the polls in presidential elections too. This is coming from someone who wants Begich to win.

Evidence?

The chart in this article ( http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-senate-polling-in-alaska-is-making-us-sweat/ ) indicates that Democrats were seriously overestimated in Alaska presidential polling in 2000 and 2008, at least.

2008 can't be included due to the Palin effect. So really that leaves just 2000 as the "proof" that it's not just an incumbent bias. Considering we have an incumbent R and incumbent D up at the same time on Tuesday, this will be put to the test.
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« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2014, 11:59:16 PM »

Begich will win as Alaska's pro-incumbent rule strikes again!

The problem with that logic is that Republicans have also been underestimated by the polls in presidential elections too. This is coming from someone who wants Begich to win.

Evidence?

The chart in this article ( http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-senate-polling-in-alaska-is-making-us-sweat/ ) indicates that Democrats were seriously overestimated in Alaska presidential polling in 2000 and 2008, at least.

That's from the same chart that shows uber Rep States have Democratic polling biases and Dem States having Republican biases. That's because the minority party's numbers are at the ceiling with tons of undecideds. Begich could easily win with 46-45% of the vote given the popularity of third parties in Alaska. We'll see, but I believe Begich will win. His ground game is certainly taking Sullivan's to the woodshed.
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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2014, 12:03:48 AM »

Begich will win as Alaska's pro-incumbent rule strikes again!

The problem with that logic is that Republicans have also been underestimated by the polls in presidential elections too. This is coming from someone who wants Begich to win.

Evidence?

The chart in this article ( http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-senate-polling-in-alaska-is-making-us-sweat/ ) indicates that Democrats were seriously overestimated in Alaska presidential polling in 2000 and 2008, at least.

2008 can't be included due to the Palin effect. So really that leaves just 2000 as the "proof" that it's not just an incumbent bias. Considering we have an incumbent R and incumbent D up at the same time on Tuesday, this will be put to the test.

2006-Gov had no incumbent running either, and just discounting 2008-Pres like that is questionable. But I suppose you are right that it will be put to the test on Tuesday Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2014, 12:08:19 AM »

Just a note... you realise none of this is going to change the outcome in any of these states right? You're only increasing your blood-pressure unnecessarily.
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« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2014, 12:12:15 AM »

Begich is still in play due to his good relationship with the Alaska Native American community but it's pretty funny too see someone who's been posting images adamantly claiming KEN BUCK AND 2012 BIAS THEREFORE UDALL WINS not care about Alaska's decade long D+7 poll bias.
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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2014, 12:34:24 AM »

Something is until it isn't. Still, I'd wouldn't be shocked if Walker and Sullivan both won, but it's far more likely that it's Parnell and Sullivan. Begich's ground game might lower the polling distance, though, so the polling we see may be more accurate than ever before.

Or he wins by 12 and we're all just scratching our heads like what the f*kk even is Alaska.
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« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2014, 12:37:15 AM »

^^^Seriously. There's really nothing that would surprise me in Alaska. Begich landslide, Sullivan landslide, anything in between.
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