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« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2014, 09:02:05 PM »

Even then I think her seat may stay in Republican hands

With who, Senator LePage?! Resurrect Olympia Snowe's political career? It'll go to an independent before it stays Republican.

Susan Collins is to Maine as Joe Manchin is to West Virginia. When they're gone, so is the seat.

Senator Poliquin?

Even if Poliquin manages to win this year, he'll likely be gone after 2016.
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« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2014, 09:40:12 PM »


Glad we could help Smiley

The idea that non-MA/RI New England (yes, even VT) is this loyal and proud progressive/Democratic voting bloc is stupid.  It'll vote for the right kind of Republican, easily.  It's a very independent region.

Name one palatable to ME voters that exists outside Collins. Seriously. Even if you get Collins' ideological twin nominated to replace her (and I have minimal faith in ME GOP primary voters ability to nominate someone ideologically closer to Collins than LePage unless the candidate's name is Susan Collins), that candidate will be in tough trouble without a couple decades worth of incumbency.
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« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2014, 01:16:01 AM »

this is just sad.  people are such idiots.
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« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2014, 02:25:00 AM »

Name one palatable to ME voters that exists outside Collins.

Peter Cianchette

Who as a pro-choice Republican vs. pro-life Democrat John Baldacci produced this hilarious result in the 2002 gubernatorial election:

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« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2014, 02:27:30 AM »

Name one palatable to ME voters that exists outside Collins.

Peter Cianchette

Who as a pro-choice Republican vs. pro-life Democrat John Baldacci produced this hilarious result in the 2002 gubernatorial election:



I think those days are a thing of the past. Not necessarily pro-life Ds or pro-choice Rs, but when you could actually get a matchup for a major statewide election with that combo. These days, when the Republican is pro-choice, the Democrat almost certainly is as well (and vice versa).
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« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2014, 03:01:51 AM »
« Edited: October 19, 2014, 07:45:17 AM by wormyguy »

I think those days are a thing of the past. Not necessarily pro-life Ds or pro-choice Rs, but when you could actually get a matchup for a major statewide election with that combo. These days, when the Republican is pro-choice, the Democrat almost certainly is as well (and vice versa).

Probably, there's been progressively more ideological sorting of the parties every decade.

Still, those elections where the candidates are running with the "wrong" parties are fun to look at.

A typical near-tie election in Massachusetts: 2010-Sen. Special, moderate conservative Republican Scott Brown beats liberal Democrat Martha Coakley 52-47.



Bizarro Massachusetts: 1990-Gov, moderate libertarianish Republican Bill Weld beats ultraconservative (except pro-single payer and anti-death penalty) Democrat John Silber 50-46:



Weld won Cambridge and Provincetown, either of which is the equivalent of a Republican winning Berkeley, CA.
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« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2014, 03:18:02 AM »

Weld won Cambridge and Provincetown, either of which is the equivalent of a Republican winning Berkeley, CA.

The thing is you went back 24 years. If you go back twice that, Berkeley was a Republican town. Berkeley mostly elected Republicans as mayors until the 1970 election.
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« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2014, 06:52:10 AM »

Weld won Cambridge and Provincetown, either of which is the equivalent of a Republican winning Berkeley, CA.

The thing is you went back 24 years. If you go back twice that, Berkeley was a Republican town. Berkeley mostly elected Republicans as mayors until the 1970 election.

Cambridge and Provincetown were as Democratic back then as they are today.
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« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2014, 07:34:53 AM »

A typical near-tie election in Massachusetts: 2010-Sen. Special, moderate conservative Republican Scott Brown beats liberal Democrat Martha Coakley 52-47.


According to the link, this is 2013, not 2010. Indeed, this map seems to indicate a narrow but clear Democratic win.

Here's the 2010 map:

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« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2014, 07:45:53 AM »

My mistake. I had both maps open from this blog post and posted the wrong one.
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« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2014, 09:25:35 AM »

this is just sad.  people are such idiots.

No. People like you are for looking at a letter over quality
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« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2014, 09:35:36 AM »

this is just sad.  people are such idiots.

No. People like you are for looking at a letter over quality

You keep saying this. It doesn't mean what you think it means.
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« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2014, 01:28:14 PM »

this is just sad.  people are such idiots.

No. People like you are for looking at a letter over quality

You keep saying this. It doesn't mean what you think it means.

I could say the same for you and your new catchphrase
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« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2014, 01:30:50 PM »
« Edited: October 19, 2014, 01:45:00 PM by Mopsus »

this is just sad.  people are such idiots.

No. People like you are for looking at a letter over quality

Are you implying that tweed would approve of Collins if she weren't a Republican?
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« Reply #39 on: October 19, 2014, 01:32:56 PM »

Name one palatable to ME voters that exists outside Collins.

Peter Cianchette

Who as a pro-choice Republican vs. pro-life Democrat John Baldacci produced this hilarious result in the 2002 gubernatorial election:



I think those days are a thing of the past. Not necessarily pro-life Ds or pro-choice Rs, but when you could actually get a matchup for a major statewide election with that combo. These days, when the Republican is pro-choice, the Democrat almost certainly is as well (and vice versa).

Pennsylvania's 1990 gubernatorial election is a major example of that. That's an election in which I would have actually voted for a Democrat.
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« Reply #40 on: October 19, 2014, 02:59:21 PM »

this is just sad.  people are such idiots.

No. People like you are for looking at a letter over quality

Are you implying that tweed would approve of Collins if she weren't a Republican?

the crucial issue is that she supports GOP control over the Senate, no matter now many nice things she says about gays or equal pay for women.  RI voters understood this in 2006.
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« Reply #41 on: October 19, 2014, 05:20:43 PM »

this is just sad.  people are such idiots.

No. People like you are for looking at a letter over quality

Are you implying that tweed would approve of Collins if she weren't a Republican?

the crucial issue is that she supports GOP control over the Senate, no matter now many nice things she says about gays or equal pay for women.  RI voters understood this in 2006.

The difference between RI 2006 and the two Maine elections is that Chafee did not have the full support of state Republicans; he beat back a right-wing primary challenger just 51-49, and this weakened him to the extent that he lost. (And I don't know how invested in the campaign Chafee was; after leaving the Senate, he expressed a sentiment that he was glad he lost since that put the Senate under Democratic control.) I have to think that had Chafee been able to avoid the Laffey challenge and been more enthusiastic about campaigning (paradoxically, this would've been the case if he was slightly further to the right, like Collins is) he would've been able to beat back Whitehouse.
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