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« Reply #250 on: September 04, 2015, 01:49:10 pm »

Will it have to be a official coalition, or can there simply be a minority government? That should surely give the SD-Republic people some leeway to achieve their goals...

They have positive parliamentarism, so they need a majority behind it. Technically that would not require all parties voting for the government to join it, but there are zero tradition for minority governments in the Faroes. It is simply not part of their political culture (same goes for Iceland and Greenland btw).
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« Reply #251 on: September 05, 2015, 04:28:57 am »

That assuming that Sd-republic share more goals than rep-progress, which may well be, with the exception of independence
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« Reply #252 on: September 05, 2015, 06:19:46 am »

Bj÷rk - Declare Independence. Thought it should be somewhere in this thread Wink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLCFRo1GlEI
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« Reply #253 on: September 05, 2015, 06:58:57 am »

HEHE nice one.

There was also an MP of SD which was in Rep before right?
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« Reply #254 on: September 05, 2015, 07:45:20 am »


There was also an MP of SD which was in Rep before right?

Yes, the SD Folketing MP Sj˙r­ur Skaale was in Republic until 2011. He left for ideological reasons since he was less of a radical "here and now" separatist than the party and disagreed with their constitutional proposal.

Skaale has an MA in polsci, but is a former radiohost and comedian, actor and singer (still performs once in a while) so he has his own fanbase and could move without risk.
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« Reply #255 on: September 05, 2015, 08:41:21 am »
« Edited: September 05, 2015, 09:24:23 am by politicus »

I heard a radio program with five Faroese youth politicians (no Republic or Home Rule) and there was some interesting bits:

Regarding gay marriage:

The Progress rep said they are the only party where you can not run unless you pledge to support civil gay marriage and that all the big parties have some SoCons, so apparently Republic have some at the local level in the settlements.

The UP youth org is pro-gay marriage, but their guy said the high personal vote number for for PM Edmund Joensen (a SoCon from a settlement) in the Folketing election earlier this year had made it even more difficult to move the party away from official "vote you conscience" line towards being pro. He otherwise considered the party "a Social Liberal centrist party with some Conservatives".

SD youth org (called Socialist Youth btw) is pro (of course) and she said there are "very few" SoCons in the party.

The PP guy emphasized that the party is officially against it because it is a Danish law (which the Faroes are currently exempt from) and they refuse to discuss it before marriage legislation is "taken home" - this makes it possible for PP to frame their opposition as a separatism matter rather than an ethical one and demand party discipline on votes.


Regarding socioeconomic stuff:

On economics the PP rep said the were not a parallel to LA in Denmark, but more socially responsible. Apparently they think the sale of fishing quotas can finance welfare without having high taxes.

The SD girl restated the old claim that SD is the most left wing party and said that they are an unreformed, classical SD unaffected by Third Way-ism and neoliberalism. I personally think that with all the UP/SD switches that happens the two parties must be fairly close, but there is no denying Faroese SD is much more focused on redistribution of wealth than continental SDs.
Since Republic is always willing to sell out leftist goals for nationalist that may very well de facto put SD to the left of Republic on the socioeconomic scale.

At least it is funny that both SD and Republic always claim to be the most left wing party - it creates a special dynamic between them.


EU, Russia and the union:

On Russia and sanctions they all declined that the Faroes act immorally by keeping up their export and said that the EU sanctions were themselves unethical since they punished ordinary Russians. The PP rep went as far saying that Faroese sanctions would mean assist in "starving the Russians".

They also stated that the Faroes had themselves tried to be boycotted by the EU and that economic sanctions was an old fashioned and immoral way to conduct foreign policy, which should be a thing of the past. The only exception was the Progress guy who thought the Faroes should "take international responsibility". Progress seems generally to be internationalist and are also very pro taking refugees.

They all admitted it was also about economic self interest, but said the EU boycott had forced the Faroese to seek alternative markets and it was not possible to withdraw from Russian market with not guarantee it could be replaced + that Faroese sanctions would be of no importance to Russia, but ruin the Faroese economy.

They all confirmed that the Danish sanctions against the Faroes had caused a change in opinion about separatism and except the UP guy they all expected the union to be dissolved at some point, but the SD girl took the usual caveat that her party was founded to stop the eternal quarreling about independence and focus on the "needs of the people", and this issue had to be kept in the background and the Centre said it was "rather irrelevant". So they were pretty classic on  their views on this.

 I also think that the absurd situation where DK had to boycott a part of our own state meant the end for the union with the Faroes.

The Progress rep said they are  committed to national freedom as one of their three main goals (the others being personal freedom and economic freedom), but that they are willing to take it slower than Republic and that the economic foundation for it is important.
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« Reply #256 on: September 05, 2015, 09:11:09 am »
« Edited: September 05, 2015, 09:17:25 am by politicus »

One way of describing the Faroese SD would be to compare it to Danish SD in the 50s or 60s. Fairly moderate and pragmatic, but with a clear sigt of the end goal being a more fair and equal society, firmly anchored in trade unions and with a rhetoric still a bit influenced by Socialism (but not Marxism) + an easy relationship with the nation and national culture given that they operate in a de facto mono-ethnic society.

All this makes them a bit exotic in todays Europe.

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« Reply #257 on: September 05, 2015, 09:20:06 am »

Home Rule is back in the negotiations.
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« Reply #258 on: September 05, 2015, 09:37:56 am »

They should go and rest in the weekend...I do not know...take some sunbath Smiley

I am used to the Spanish periods where, from the election until the new government is in office, there is at least a period of two months.
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« Reply #259 on: September 05, 2015, 09:43:42 am »

They should go and rest in the weekend...I do not know...take some sunbath Smiley

In September in the Faroes?
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« Reply #260 on: September 05, 2015, 09:56:55 am »

Yeah why not? Smiley

Everything is possible.
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« Reply #261 on: September 05, 2015, 10:00:18 am »

In that period of two months there is what it is called "government in functions".

From what it seems that Faroe Islands, at the moment, does not have a government. Is this correct?
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« Reply #262 on: September 05, 2015, 10:06:13 am »

In that period of two months there is what it is called "government in functions".

From what it seems that Faroe Islands, at the moment, does not have a government. Is this correct?

Yes.

If the situation drags on for an extended periode the Speaker can ask the previous government to step back as a caretaker administration. But that is very unlikely.
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« Reply #263 on: September 05, 2015, 10:18:56 am »

Yes but they have a margin of 1-2 weeks usually.

What if some relevant decision for some sudden event happens in between? They call the former govrnment back.

But maybe KLJ is in the Canary Islands having the sunbath Smiley
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« Reply #264 on: September 05, 2015, 10:24:29 am »

Yes but they have a margin of 1-2 weeks usually.

What if some relevant decision for some sudden event happens in between? They call the former govrnment back.

But maybe KLJ is in the Canary Islands having the sunbath Smiley

He is still in the Faroes and will stay there to they have a new government. Besides it very unlikely that something that can not wait a week will happen in the Faroes.

Did you read my long post about the youth pols above? I thought you would have had some comments or questions.
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« Reply #265 on: September 05, 2015, 10:46:30 am »
« Edited: September 05, 2015, 11:00:41 am by jmlv »

I think that the Youth of a party is different from the Party itself in many occasions.

On whether SD and Rep are the most leftist, I have seen SFers supporting Republic, so probably they associate SD with the Danish Socialdemocrats.

As for independence, it does not look like PP Rep and Progress have the majority. I am not sure what HR exactly stands for, but you probably have more info.

As for the gay marriage, I am not sure what is the point of Progress stating that they are the only "true" and 100% pro-gay marriage. I do not think Rep will have a problem and maybe some SoCon SD MP but thats pretty much it. UP will have ethical vote so that it would pass. To me the question about that is how (refrendum or not) and when. Dont you think?
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« Reply #266 on: September 05, 2015, 11:08:43 am »

Btw, Does CP have a Youth branch?
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« Reply #267 on: September 05, 2015, 11:33:26 am »
« Edited: September 05, 2015, 11:43:19 am by politicus »

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I think that the Youth of a party is different from the Party itself in many occasions.

On whether SD and Rep are the most leftist, I have seen SFers supporting Republic, so probably they associate SD with the Danish Socialdemocrats.

As for independence, it does not look like PP, Rep and Progress have the majority. I am not sure what HR exactly stands for, but you probably have more info.

As for the gay marriage, I am not sure what is the point of Progress stating that they are the only "true" and 100% pro-gay marriage. I do not think Republic will have a problem and maybe some SoCon SD MP but thats pretty much it. UP will have ethical vote so that it would pass. To me the question about that is how (refrendum or not) and when. Dont you think?

Youth parties are of course different, but they also talked about what their mother parties thought and how they vary and what direction they are moving in, which was the interesting part.

Danish parties cooperate with Faroese and Greenlandic parties based on tradition, not current ideology, so that is a useless guideline in determining what positions the parties actually have (like IA in Greenland being quite free market despite being a nominally Socialist party). Faroese SDs of course work with Danish SDs. Republic ally with no Danish party when elected. Danish left wingers consider IA and Republic the proper "anti colonial" partners, but both parties put nationalism (and therefore a healthy economy/fiscal responsibility) above leftist goals, which often makes them wiling to cut budgets quite hard and their countries respective SDs more left wing in practice.

The Progress guy was describing the (complex) situation in the parties when asked - not saying how SD and Republic will vote - that is your focus.

Not sure how you are so 100% certain gay marriage will pass when there isn't a majority based on the likely government parties. The SoLib UP votes are only relevant if there is a vote at all. Nobody in the opposition will raise the issue, so if the government parties are blocked from raising it there will be no vote. I think - and hope - they will do it this time, but it is not a done deal. Odds are maybe 75-80% or something

I have already covered HR and independence - cut ties bit by bit until there is nothing left - then formalize it by declaring independence.

I guess you are just more interested in "here and now" - the long term trends and developments are more interesting for me as a Dane.
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« Reply #268 on: September 05, 2015, 11:59:08 am »

Yes indeed. I think you are right: our approaches are different, but also our political cultures. Remmember I am from crazy Spain! Smiley

For example, now in Spain there is a huge debate on the approval of the budget for next year. The current conservative majority has approved 4 budgets, and there are elections at the end of the year. Their intention is to match the time to get the next one approved before, and therefore they are calculating which day they should call it. It is more complicated, because the opposition claims it is unconstitutional that a government intends to pass 5 budgets in a 4 years term. But yes, the here and now emerges quite often.

Consensus is common in Scandinavia and that makes things take time. Probably also the Faroes.

On HR - yes indeed what you say is their big theory of how to approach independence. But, yes, I was asking for the now in the current negotiations with the other three parties.

On gay marriage, even if there is one or two SoCons, any of the other parties can say that gay marriage is a condiction sine qua non (similar to CP but on the other way round).
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« Reply #269 on: September 05, 2015, 12:24:47 pm »

On HR - yes indeed what you say is their big theory of how to approach independence. But, yes, I was asking for the now in the current negotiations with the other three parties.

On gay marriage, even if there is one or two SoCons, any of the other parties can say that gay marriage is a condiction sine qua non (similar to CP but on the other way round).

HR is going for a government that takes the maximum under the current 2005 autonomy agreement + a Faroese Constitution.

SD agrees theres should be a Constitution and wants to take some things like control with the air space and foreign policy, but not fx the police and the courts.

The only likely candidate for making it a sine qua non is Progress. Republic is usually pragmatic with all non-independence related goals. Republic, SD, HR could work without gay marriage, even if some MPs would be massively disappointed, but they would have to wait - I do not see a party split over gay marriage from SoLibs. They know it is tricky.
There is no doubt lots of pressure on Aksel J. for securing gay marriage, but if a deal with Progress slips away, people know he has to use the two HR - and that there is a risk they would block it (even if they may not - or just demand a referendum). 
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« Reply #270 on: September 05, 2015, 12:28:46 pm »

A referendum has an advantage:

it would be complicated for a conservative majority in the future to repeal it.

I know that it is unlikely that happened (I only know the case of California that comes up to my mind). But still.
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« Reply #271 on: September 05, 2015, 12:41:59 pm »

Btw, the point raised by the PP Youth is interesting.
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« Reply #272 on: September 05, 2015, 12:53:15 pm »

Btw, the point raised by the PP Youth is interesting.

Yes, but it is the whole party that use it as an argument.

PP often uses separatism to disguise other motives. Like when they claim the Faroes should not take refugees because foreign policy is under union control.
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« Reply #273 on: September 05, 2015, 02:22:18 pm »

They are not following their icelandic fellows in that matter
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« Reply #274 on: September 05, 2015, 02:39:33 pm »


Yes, Ung fyri Mi­flokkin - Youth for CP. There was a rep for them in the debate, but he was low profile and didn't say anything other than you would have expected him to.
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