ME-Rasmussen: In SHOCK poll, Collins (R) drops below 60 ;-)
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« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2014, 05:45:29 PM »

>Rass. She's still gonna win. Quit bashing her because she's a Republican. If you're gonna do that on party only, you clearly have no idea what she's really like

At the end of the day, Susan Collins is still a Republican. The people of Maine don't realize that a vote for Collins is a vote to give Republicans control of the Senate.

So what? The people of Maine care about the person and the issues, not the party. Collins is a good person who lines up with their ideas and is known for pushing the idea of working together, which is why Snowe and King are also so beloved, but LePage and Baldacci are so lukewarm there. If you're really going to say pushing to work together to END the gridlock is less important than a letter after someone's name and maintaining muh majority, then I have no respect for you whatsoever.

"End the gridlock"

That is such nonsense. It's meaningless if what gets done doesn't work or is harmful, as most bipartisan efforts tend to be, and that would only be worse if we "end the gridlock".
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« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2014, 05:58:40 PM »

More hackery from Freedomhawk. The "gridlock" is entirely a creation of the Republican party's abuse of the filibuster, something that Collins has had no problem voting in lockstep with Mitch McConnell on.
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« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2014, 06:24:17 PM »

>Rass. She's still gonna win. Quit bashing her because she's a Republican. If you're gonna do that on party only, you clearly have no idea what she's really like

At the end of the day, Susan Collins is still a Republican. The people of Maine don't realize that a vote for Collins is a vote to give Republicans control of the Senate.

So what? The people of Maine care about the person and the issues, not the party. Collins is a good person who lines up with their ideas and is known for pushing the idea of working together, which is why Snowe and King are also so beloved, but LePage and Baldacci are so lukewarm there. If you're really going to say pushing to work together to END the gridlock is less important than a letter after someone's name and maintaining muh majority, then I have no respect for you whatsoever.

I had a completely different response to your Navy SEAL-esque ragefit because I dared to criticize one of the last "Rockefeller Republicans". Never mind the fact that Shenna Bellows' political views mirror mine, or that I think she's a good progressive like Sanders or Feingold or even Warren. The fact that she'd easily be my favorite Senator if she got elected is irrelevant. Apparently it's because I'm blindly supporting a Democrat and want a majority (because let's face it - you'd do the same for me). Hell, even some Democrats like her because she wants gay people to marry (even though she bravely came out for it as soon as she won her primary), or that she doesn't like guns, or that she believes birth control should be available. Let's look at some bills she opposed.


These are only a few of these important, common-sense bills that your messiah opposed, along with the rest of the Republican Party. Even her former colleague and staunch conservative Rick Santorum said that Collins was always a team player, and would vote GOP in reality. Yeah, she may line up with some of the Democrats' "pet issues" sometimes, but when it matters, Susan Collins bows down to Mitch McConnell, not the people of Maine.
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« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2014, 09:01:21 PM »

More hackery from Freedomhawk. The "gridlock" is entirely a creation of the Republican party's abuse of the filibuster, something that Collins has had no problem voting in lockstep with Mitch McConnell on.

More like Harry Reid's abuse of an obscure rule that lets him limit amendments, refusal to even listen to the opposition, and hyperpartisanship in general.
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« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2014, 09:10:56 PM »

>Rass. She's still gonna win. Quit bashing her because she's a Republican. If you're gonna do that on party only, you clearly have no idea what she's really like

At the end of the day, Susan Collins is still a Republican. The people of Maine don't realize that a vote for Collins is a vote to give Republicans control of the Senate.

So what? The people of Maine care about the person and the issues, not the party. Collins is a good person who lines up with their ideas and is known for pushing the idea of working together, which is why Snowe and King are also so beloved, but LePage and Baldacci are so lukewarm there. If you're really going to say pushing to work together to END the gridlock is less important than a letter after someone's name and maintaining muh majority, then I have no respect for you whatsoever.

I had a completely different response to your Navy SEAL-esque ragefit because I dared to criticize one of the last "Rockefeller Republicans". Never mind the fact that Shenna Bellows' political views mirror mine, or that I think she's a good progressive like Sanders or Feingold or even Warren. The fact that she'd easily be my favorite Senator if she got elected is irrelevant. Apparently it's because I'm blindly supporting a Democrat and want a majority (because let's face it - you'd do the same for me). Hell, even some Democrats like her because she wants gay people to marry (even though she bravely came out for it as soon as she won her primary), or that she doesn't like guns, or that she believes birth control should be available. Let's look at some bills she opposed.


These are only a few of these important, common-sense bills that your messiah opposed, along with the rest of the Republican Party. Even her former colleague and staunch conservative Rick Santorum said that Collins was always a team player, and would vote GOP in reality. Yeah, she may line up with some of the Democrats' "pet issues" sometimes, but when it matters, Susan Collins bows down to Mitch McConnell, not the people of Maine.

Messiah? You're resorting to personal attacks now? Why call out Susan Collins, who is honestly meh but I still like her, a deciding vote in the Stimulus, for being a team player when that is EVERYONE? At least she advocates for compromise, which is different from being a team player, which, yeah she is in the end. And who are you to say she doesn't serve the people? Like any politician does nowadays. Of course she has an agenda, but at least she TRIES to advocate for compromise against the hyperpartisanship that drove out her long-time colleague and frenemy out of the Senate in the first place due to hacks like Harry Reid. Bellows is a swell person, from what I've read, but in the end, she'd be just as partisan as anyone, so don't go treating HER like some messiah when she'd be doing just what Collins does, but with a D after her name and with hyperpartisan tendencies
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« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2014, 09:12:13 PM »

More hackery from Freedomhawk. The "gridlock" is entirely a creation of the Republican party's abuse of the filibuster, something that Collins has had no problem voting in lockstep with Mitch McConnell on.

More like Harry Reid's abuse of an obscure rule that lets him limit amendments, refusal to even listen to the opposition, and hyperpartisanship in general.

To be honest, I think everyone on this thread is right.  Everyone's produced gridlock, even the sainted "moderate heroes."  

Ideologically, Collins is closer to Cruz than any Democrat, based on voting records.

However, I am surprised people on the left are that disgusted by her.  She does take fairly liberal positions on abortion, the environment, gun control, and some other issues.  

I think the real anger at Collins comes from the fact that she is a Republican senator from a blue(atlas Red) state like Maine, a state that "ought" to have a D Senator.  If Collins was a Senator from say, Utah, liberals would absolutely adore her.
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« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2014, 09:18:47 PM »

If hyperpartisanship wasn't an issue, why would Snowe have left if she was all lined up to run and was basically guaranteed to win?
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« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2014, 07:34:53 AM »

I like that you seem genuinely angry that some people on here have the audacity to dislike a politician.
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« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2014, 10:36:57 AM »

>Rass. She's still gonna win. Quit bashing her because she's a Republican. If you're gonna do that on party only, you clearly have no idea what she's really like

At the end of the day, Susan Collins is still a Republican. The people of Maine don't realize that a vote for Collins is a vote to give Republicans control of the Senate.

So what? The people of Maine care about the person and the issues, not the party. Collins is a good person who lines up with their ideas and is known for pushing the idea of working together, which is why Snowe and King are also so beloved, but LePage and Baldacci are so lukewarm there. If you're really going to say pushing to work together to END the gridlock is less important than a letter after someone's name and maintaining muh majority, then I have no respect for you whatsoever.

Yeah, I would rather have a Democrat in her seat. More Democrats in congress means a better chance at an actually functioning legislative branch.

Yeah....we have gotten to that point with the GOP.
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« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2014, 06:40:41 PM »

>Rass. She's still gonna win. Quit bashing her because she's a Republican. If you're gonna do that on party only, you clearly have no idea what she's really like

At the end of the day, Susan Collins is still a Republican. The people of Maine don't realize that a vote for Collins is a vote to give Republicans control of the Senate.

So what? The people of Maine care about the person and the issues, not the party. Collins is a good person who lines up with their ideas and is known for pushing the idea of working together, which is why Snowe and King are also so beloved, but LePage and Baldacci are so lukewarm there. If you're really going to say pushing to work together to END the gridlock is less important than a letter after someone's name and maintaining muh majority, then I have no respect for you whatsoever.

Yeah, I would rather have a Democrat in her seat. More Democrats in congress means a better chance at an actually functioning legislative branch.

Yeah....we have gotten to that point with the GOP.

Uhh, how are Democrats in charge automatically going to make it functional? It is the divide that is hurting everything.
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« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2014, 06:47:20 PM »

If hyperpartisanship wasn't an issue, why would Snowe have left if she was all lined up to run and was basically guaranteed to win?

Because her husbands for-profit college scandal?

The "hypepartisanship" reason is clearly a bunch of B.S., though I can imagine why you are blind to see through it.
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