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Question: Who will win in Colorado?
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Mark Udall (D), I
 
#2
Cory Gardner (R)
 
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Total Voters: 92

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« on: September 01, 2014, 10:33:51 AM »

Democrats have outperformed their polling in Colorado for two or maybe three election cycles.  That doesn't make it a standard rule of performance.  If the polling shows Udall and Gardner tied, then that means that they very likely are tied.  Hickenlooper's implosion, significantly improved GOP GOTV, a highly motivated GOP electorate, a Democratic base weakened over divisions on fracking and education reform, and a generally good GOP national environment will all help Gardner win by three or four points this year.

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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2014, 10:37:35 AM »

What are we all basing our guesses on? Month old polls? A month is a lifetime in politics. Colorado GOP has been scoring victories as of late, so this is really a Tossup

Since the poll?

You do realize that the vast majority of polling data has either had the GOP leading or the race within a single point, including PPP, right?

The YouGov and Marist polls look like outliers because they are.  If your argument is that Udall will win because of the polling data, then your argument does not hold. 
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2014, 10:46:36 AM »

Has anyone bothered looking at the voter samples in the polling this year in Colorado?  Pollsters do this for a living, and they know just as many of you have pointed out that they often underestimate Democratic strength in Colorado.  So most of the polling I've seen in Colorado this year has actually over sampled Democrats in polls.  There is absolutely no way that more Democrats than Republicans will vote this year in Colorado.  None.  Yet most polls have had samples with more Democrats than Republicans.  Why?  Because they don't want to mess the state up again.

Moreover--and I can speak to this as someone intimately involved with the GOP's GOTV effort this year in Colorado--the GOP will have a much improved ground game.  Republicans have actually outperformed the Democrats on the ground since 2012, even when severely outfunded in recalls and statewide ballot races.

Gardner is in a very good position, and he would not have run if he didn't feel very, very confident about this opportunity.
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2014, 10:49:46 AM »
« Edited: September 01, 2014, 10:55:24 AM by backtored »

Democrats have outperformed their polling in Colorado for two or maybe three election cycles.  That doesn't make it a standard rule of performance.  If the polling shows Udall and Gardner tied, then that means that they very likely are tied.  Hickenlooper's implosion, significantly improved GOP GOTV, a highly motivated GOP electorate, a Democratic base weakened over divisions on fracking and education reform, and a generally good GOP national environment will all help Gardner win by three or four points this year.

Ok, you're actually nuts.

No, just fairly confident.  Which is a really, really new feeling for a Republican in Colorado.

If I'm wrong, I'll be here eating crow.
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2014, 10:58:08 AM »
« Edited: September 01, 2014, 11:06:03 AM by backtored »

Has anyone bothered looking at the voter samples in the polling this year in Colorado?  Pollsters do this for a living, and they know just as many of you have pointed out that they often underestimate Democratic strength in Colorado.  So most of the polling I've seen in Colorado this year has actually over sampled Democrats in polls.  There is absolutely no way that more Democrats than Republicans will vote this year in Colorado.  None.  Yet most polls have had samples with more Democrats than Republicans.  Why?  Because they don't want to mess the state up again.

Moreover--and I can speak to this as someone intimately involved with the GOP's GOTV effort this year in Colorado--the GOP will have a much improved ground game.  Republicans have actually outperformed the Democrats on the ground since 2012, even when severely outfunded in recalls and statewide ballot races.

Gardner is in a very good position, and he would not have run if he didn't feel very, very confident about this opportunity.

You will have to excuse us out-of-staters for relying on polling data from good firms as the least-unreliable predictor of the outcome, rather than anecdotal evidence from a partisan from said state. While you may feel confident regarding Gardner's chances in this race, I cannot share that same confidence so long as Udall clings to slight leads in almost all available public polling. While the possibility of Democratic bias in the polls is certainly not improbable, I cannot pretend that it is more likely than not.

Which pollsters would that be?

PPP?

Udall +1

Rassy?

Udall +1

Quinnipiac--easily the state's best pollster?

Gardner +2

That is a tied race.  Period.  If you want to use YouGov to discern how a race will go, then you are, of course, entitled to do so, but I think it would be a mistake.

And, to be clear, I am not saying that the polls have Democratic biases.  I think the polling from the standard pollsters like PPP, Rassy, and Q, have been very, very good, actually.  The Democratic oversampling is probably even necessary to compensate for the Democratic advantages spoken of here.  

But that's my point.  Even with that built-in compensation, the race is basically dead even, and Quinnipiac even has Gardner up by two.
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2014, 02:16:45 PM »
« Edited: September 01, 2014, 05:38:55 PM by backtored »

Republicans were very confident in 2008, 2010 and 2012.

No, at least some of us were not. I assure you of that.  Even 2010 was pretty tough given our gubernatorial woes.
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