opinion of drug dealers...

[opebo]

While crack cocaine and heroin should obviously be legal, drug dealers are criminals, and should in many cases be put to death.

Hah, cute.  I assume you mean until the law is changed?  Well, fair enough - those are the risks a freedom fighter takes in a totalitarian State.

I mean because of the things that most drug dealers do. I suppose you applaud cop killing, support for terrorism, and selling heroin to teenagers.

The first and the third, absolutely.  The second, well, isn't all violent political action or warfare 'terrorism'?  I guess it all just depends on which side you're on in any given 'terrorist' action.

[Bono]

Neither. They are businessmen.

Poisoning children.

Oh please. If anything, it falls under assisted suicide.
But let's speak clearly. Children this days know perfectly what drugs are and what they will do. It isn't like the welfare-warfare state doesn't bombard them with enough propaganda already. if they chose to consume it, because obviously they aren't being fed it for lunch, it is their own conscious decision, independently of any arbitrarely fixed age.

[A18]

Neither. They are businessmen.

Poisoning children.

Oh please. If anything, it falls under assisted suicide.
But let's speak clearly. Children this days know perfectly what drugs are and what they will do. It isn't like the welfare-warfare state doesn't bombard them with enough propaganda already. if they chose to consume it, because obviously they aren't being fed it for lunch, it is their own conscious decision, independently of any arbitrarely fixed age.

There has to be an arbitrarely fixed age at which children become 'free.'

Assisting 16 year old suicide is not generally considered a very nice thing.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Drug dealers destroy communities.

[opebo]

Neither. They are businessmen.

Poisoning children.

Oh please. If anything, it falls under assisted suicide.
But let's speak clearly. Children this days know perfectly what drugs are and what they will do. It isn't like the welfare-warfare state doesn't bombard them with enough propaganda already. if they chose to consume it, because obviously they aren't being fed it for lunch, it is their own conscious decision, independently of any arbitrarely fixed age.

Good points Bono, though of course Drugs rarely have any harmful effect at all, much less cause death.

[A18]

Even marijuana has harmful effects.

[opebo]

Drug dealers destroy communities.

No, communities are destroyed by their own weakness - which is almost invariably poverty.

Drugs themselves are neither good nor bad, but they are often blamed for the problems of those who take them.  Just a scapegoat.

[opebo]

Even marijuana has harmful effects.

You are a rather gullible young fellow.
 

[Filuwaúrdjan]

No, communities are destroyed by their own weakness -

Elitist prick

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There are such things are stable poor communities you know

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What planet do you live on? Ever met a heroin or crack addict? Or their families?

[Bono]

What planet do you live on? Ever met a heroin or crack addict? Or their families?

That's where the right to keep and bear arms kicks in.

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

I voted criminals, but:

-they do not support terrorism
-very very few kill cops or even pose a threat

When you buy pot, you are not supporting terrorism, you are supporting some old hippie growing pot in his basement or a secret farm out in the middle of nowhere. And most do not kill people or engage in gang warfare or any of the sort. There are a few people who could be considered drug dealers in my apartment, and they have no weapons, nor do they try to push them on little kids out on the street, you simply call them up if you're in need of a joint or two. Your typical drug dealer is nothing like the stereotypical gangster.

[Bono]

Neither. They are businessmen.

Poisoning children.

Oh please. If anything, it falls under assisted suicide.
But let's speak clearly. Children this days know perfectly what drugs are and what they will do. It isn't like the welfare-warfare state doesn't bombard them with enough propaganda already. if they chose to consume it, because obviously they aren't being fed it for lunch, it is their own conscious decision, independently of any arbitrarely fixed age.

There has to be an arbitrarely fixed age at which children become 'free.'

Assisting 16 year old suicide is not generally considered a very nice thing.

Once again, i'll let Rothbard answer this one:

"But when are we to say that this parental trustee jurisdiction over children shall come to an end? Surely any particular age (21,18, or whatever) can only be completely arbitrary. The clue to the solution of this thorny question lies in the parental property rights in their home. For the child has his full rights of self-ownership when he demonstrates that he has them in nature—in short, when he leaves or “runs away” from home. Regardless of his age, we must grant to every child the absolute right to runaway and to find new foster parents who will voluntarily adopt him, or to try to exist on his own. Parents may try to persuade the runaway child to return, but it is totally impermissible enslavement and an aggression upon his right of self-ownership for them to use force to compel him to return. The absolute right to run away is the child’s ultimate expression of his right of self-ownership, regardless of age."

[opebo]

No, communities are destroyed by their own weakness -

Elitist prick

I do not deny it.

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If they're so stable, why can't they handle allowing their members freedom?  For example freedom to use drugs privately if they choose?

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What planet do you live on? Ever met a heroin or crack addict? Or their families?
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I have known one or two addicts, and a lot more people who tried those things but didn't become addicted.  It all comes down to the person, not the drug.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I do not deny it.

You say that is if it's a good thing

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Do you actually understand how much it costs to be addicted to a hard drug?

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R-U-B-B-I-S-H

Do you know anything about chemicals?

[A18]

Does opebo know anything about anything?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Does opebo know anything about anything?

How to kerb crawl

[opebo]

Does opebo know anything about anything?

How to kerb crawl

I'm not familiar with that term, but if it means something like this:

Then yes, I am quite good at that.

[Hitchabrut]

Criminals. Of course, many left-wing kooks are for the banning of tobacco use in public, but cocaine should be very welcomed in society.

[opebo]

Criminals. Of course, many left-wing kooks are for the banning of tobacco use in public, but cocaine should be very welcomed in society.

Both should be welcomed.

[FerrisBueller86]

Why would anyone applaud drug dealers?

[opebo]

Why would anyone applaud drug dealers?

Because they courageously resist, at great personal risk, the State's oppression of our freedom to take drugs.

[angus]

option 2 for me.

same here.  see Bob's post.

though I'd certainly be willing to unmake them criminals.  where do I vote??

[angus]

we are talking about non-licensed dealers of controlled substances, right?

because if we're talking about pharmacists, or the global exploitative oligopolies they represent, then I'd have to vote-

oh, what, ummm, nevermind.