Presidential Rankings

[Inmate Trump]

Not really much to do with 2004.... But I ranked the presidents in order, from best to worst.  I ranked them much the same way that CSPAN ranked the presidents a year or two ago.  The categories I based my rankings on were: Public Persuasion, Crisis Leadership, Economic Management, Moral Authority, International Relations, Administrative Skills, Relations With Congress, Vision/Setting an Agenda, Pursued Equal Justice For All, and Performance Within Context of Times.  I gave each president points based on these categories, totaled them up and came up with this list:

1. Ronald Reagan
2. Franklin D. Roosevelt
3. George Washington
4. Abraham Lincoln
5. George W. Bush
6. Theodore Roosevelt
7. John F. Kennedy
8. Woodrow Wilson
9. James K. Polk
10. Lyndon B. Johnson
11. Thomas Jefferson
12. Dwight D. Eisenhower
13. William McKinley
14. George H. W. Bush
15. Gerald R. Ford
16. Chester A. Arthur
17. Benjamin Harrison
18. James Monroe
19. Grover Cleveland
20. Rutherford B. Hayes
21. James A. Garfield
22. Calvin Coolidge
23. Harry S. Truman
24. Andrew Jackson
25. James Madison
26. Richard M. Nixon
27. William J. Clinton
28. John Quincy Adams
29. Herbert C. Hoover
30. Zachary Taylor
31. William Howard Taft
32. John Adams
33. Jimmy Carter
34. Ulysses S. Grant
35. Millard Fillmore
36. Warren G. Harding
37. Martin Van Buren
38. William Henry Harrison
39. Andrew Johnson
40. James Buchanan
41. John Tyler
42. Franklin Pierce

Any comments?  I'm no historian (though I do have a passion for history, especially presidential history), but I figure I came fairly close to most presidential rankings out there.  It's hard to rank presidents like Taylor, Garfield and Harrison who died too early into their terms to make a fair assessment.  Likewise, it was hard to rank Dubya, seeing as how his term hasn't yet ended.  I tried to be as unbiased as possible; just for note, I used to be a Democrat, and I'm a fan of the old Democrat Party.

Anyone care to make their own list?

[Inmate Trump]

George W. should not be in the top 5 or top 10 even. That's just absurd. In fact he should not even been on the LIST until is Presidency his over. It's best to judge a person's preformance as President AFTER he is President.

And Ronald Reagan as NUMBER ONE?!?!?! What the hell!!

Abraham Lincoln should be number one..followed by FDR as a close number 2.

Well, you're right on one thing at least:  Dubya should not be listed b/c his term isn't up yet.  But, simply enough, I wanted to include all the presidents.  I do crazy things sometimes, I admit, and he'll no doubt rise or fall on my ranking by the end of his presidency.  But as things stand today, he's in my top 10.  That shouldn't be a total shocker.  One of the things I ranked on was Crisis Leadership.  Were you here on 9/11?  FDR and GWB scored extremely high on this category.  Another thing was Moral Authority.  We all know Bush is a devout Christian and at this point in time he has yet to commit any crimes during his presidency or lie to the public or under oath, steal money, kill anyone, or commit adultery.  So he, (as well as Carter, Hoover, Truman, Wilson) scored high on this.

Dubya has managed to alienate the U.S. from a great many other countries.  My personal view is, who cares about France?  But, being unbiased in my ranking, I scored Bush very low on the category of International Relations.

Other categories Bush scored relatively high on are Public Persuasion (remember 9/11 and the lead up to the Battle of Iraq, Thanksgiving Day with the troops, etc.), Administrative Skills, Vision/Setting an Agenda, and Performance Within Context of Times.

Ronald Reagan as number 1.  Again, high ratings on Public Persuasion (the public loved him), Crisis Leadership (Cold War), Econominc Management and a few others.  The Iran/Contra scandal hurt him slightly, but not too much, considering the public never really blamed Reagan for this; they loved him anyway--even (more than) a few Democrats.

Lincoln and FDR, as you'll see made the top 5 on my list (a list that wasn't conducted by a historian or an expert on presidential history, just to note).  FDR came pretty close to beating Reagan actually.  Here's the final score:

1. Reagan=735
2. FDR=720
3. Washington=715
4. Lincoln=700
5. Dubya=675

Bottom Five:
38. W. H. Harrison=280
39. Andrew Johnson=265
40. James Buchanan=250
41. John Tyler=235
42. Franklin Pierce=205

I'm sorry you didn't like my list.  Why not make one of your own?

[Inmate Trump]

1. FDR
2. T. Roosevelt
3. Lincoln
4. Washington
5. Truman

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42. John Tyler
41.  James Buchanan
40. Herbert Hoover
39. William henry Harrison
38. Ronald Reagan

This is what I tried (and, I think, was successful) to avoid in my own ranking.  Doing a true, unbiased presidential ranking, it would be near impossible to rank Reagan so low.  Republican or Democrat, you have to admit the good he did for the country and for the world.

[Inmate Trump]

I still have yet to figure out what supposedly makes Reagan so great.

You won't be convinced of Reagan's greatness now if you don't already believe he was a great president for the simple fact that you're one of Nader's raiders.

How can an ultra-liberal leaning-socialist see greatness in someone as conservative as Reagan who did so much good for the country?

[Inmate Trump]

Here's my list:

1. William J. Clinton
2. Ronald Reagan
3. Abraham Lincoln
4. Thomas Jefferson
5. Theodore Roosevelt
6. George Washington
7. Andrew Jackson
8. Franklin D. Roosevelt
9. William Howard Taft
10. Dwight D. Eisenhower
11. Gerald R. Ford
12. Lyndon B. Johnson
13. Richard M. Nixon
14. Calvin Coolidge
15. Harry S. Truman
16. Jimmy Carter
17. James Polk
18. John F. Kennedy
19. George W. Bush
20. James Monroe
21. William McKinley
22. Woodrow Wilson
23. Chester A. Arthur
24. Benjamin Harrison
25. Rutherford B. Hayes
26. George H. W. Bush
27. Grover Cleveland
28. James A. Garfield
29. Herbert C. Hoover
30. James Madison
31. John Quincy Adams
32. Zachary Taylor
33. Ulysses S. Grant
34. Millard Fillmore
35. John Adams
36. William Henry Harrison
37. Warren G. Harding
38. Franklin Pierce
39. Martin Van Buren
40. Andrew Johnson
41. John Tyler
42. James Buchanan

That's an interesting list.  I think it's cool that you including both Clinton and Reagan in the top 5, which shows you at least didn't base your ranking on the president's party and rather what the president accomplished for the country.  While I disagree that Clinton should be ranked so high (b/c of the many scandals that took place during his time as well as the foreign policy failures), and that Nixon beats Dubya, for the most part I think you've got pretty good list.

[Inmate Trump]

1. George Washington, no question
2. Abe Lincoln
3. FDR
4. Ronald Reagan
5. Teddy Roosevelt

Side note_ I do not include Bush in the rankings because his presidency is still in progress. If he had been shot this morning I would have put him at 5. I expect him to be higher by 2008, If he succeeds in changing the face of the mideast.

Bottom:
38. Jimmy Carter
39. Rutherford B. Hayes
40. Richard Nixon
41. Ulysses S. Grant
42. Warren Harding

You've had one of the most sensible lists I've read all day. You admit that President Bush's Presidency is not over yet, and thus he cannot be FULLY judge. You also don't have William J. Clinton in your bottom 5 as others do. However, I would argue that George Washington is not the best President, I don't really see what he did to earn that title.

I intend to post MY list soon, however, being the "historian" that I am, I must do some extra research to make sure that my list is not just fluff.

I agree that "M" has made a good list here.  I ask why were you so critical of my list when you praised "M's"?  Our lists (at least, our top and bottom 5's) are very similar.

After all, I admitted that Bush's term wasn't up yet and a lot could change; I admitted that he couldn't be "FULLY judged."  I chose to rank Bush, "M" did not but said that if he did, Bush would make the top 5, just as he did in my list.

I didn't have Clinton in my bottom 5, 10 or 15.  Rather, he was right in the middle.

I look forward to your list.  Yes, it takes time to make a *good* list.  I researched each of the presidents, but I confess, I did all of it in just one weekend's time...which doesn't allow for an accurate ranking.  Good luck!

[Inmate Trump]

Bush is undisputably the worst ever.

Well I can honestly say, IMHO, you have no idea what you're talking about.

:-)  I guess he's never heard of Buchanan, Pierce, Johnson, Nixon, Harding, Taft, Fillmore, Tyler, so on and so on.

[Inmate Trump]

I agree that "M" has made a good list here.  I ask why were you so critical of my list when you praised "M's"?  Our lists (at least, our top and bottom 5's) are very similar.

I didn't mean to be so critical of your list, and if I was I apologize. The main disagreement I had with your list, however, is that you had Ronald Reagan listed as number one. And George Washington above Abraham Lincoln. But I won't argue that those two Presidents deserve to be in at least the top 5 or top 10 category.

I look forward to your list.  Yes, it takes time to make a *good* list.  I researched each of the presidents, but I confess, I did all of it in just one weekend's time...which doesn't allow for an accurate ranking.  Good luck!

Oh no. lol Now I feel like all eyes are on me for my list. lol

At least two eyes are watching..... :-)

I think I misunderstood when it all comes down to it.  No apology necessary.

[Inmate Trump]

Actually, Truman wasn't that great...IMO, of course.

He did *let* communism spread.  He sat back and did nothing while China fell to communism, creating a whole slew of problems that are still haunting us today.  His war in Korea hurt his approval ratings, which fell to the low 20s at the end of his administration.  He finished WWII (FDR actually won it--in the same way that Reagan won the Cold War and G.H.W. Bush finished it up), I'll give him that.

But you have to keep in mind the times in which Truman led.  The Cold War was beginning to heat up, and he literally did nothing.  He actually had (as is now proven, but was in doubt during the time) Soviet spies in his administration.  While those accusations arose, he wasn't even open to the possibility that they might be right--allowing Soviet spies to freely give top secret information to the enemy.

No matter what good he did, that lack of responsibility on his part and the complete disregard of the growing threat of communism, IMO, makes him a bad president.

[Inmate Trump]

I think there are a whole slew of potential candidates for vice president.

Unfortunately, Bush has already stated that he sees no reason to kick Cheney off the ticket.

Oh well.  Don't get me wrong, I like Cheney, but, as many people have already said, he adds nothing.  I'd really like to see Giuliani on there, though he's planning on a senate run in '06.  

Maybe Bill Owens.  Rice would be great, as would Powell.

At least, with Cheney, Bush is sure to get Wyoming...oh wait, he was sure to get that anyway.

[Inmate Trump]

Jimmy Carter deserves to be listed among the worst of presidents.  Just like Herbert Hoover.

I will admit that with both Carter and Hoover, the times of their administrations weren't great times, and there are many things that happened during their presidencies that aren't directly their fault.  The problem was that both Carter and Hoover reacted to those problems in ways that solved nothing, or they reacted too late, or simply didn't react at all.

Both Carter and Hoover were great humanitarians and they deserve to be recognized for that.  But their terms in office were horrible, and *that* deserves to be recognized also.