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« Reply #150 on: May 16, 2014, 08:55:14 AM »

I am not as despondent over this win as the rest of you are, even if he does strike me as Vladimir Putin's Indian protege. Honestly what could the west/US have done to prevent the BJP's return to power?

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« Reply #151 on: May 16, 2014, 09:00:42 AM »

Just to show how effective the NDA is in concentrating their vote in the right places.  In Odisha the UPA actually outpolled NDA 26.9% vs 21.5% but won 0 seats versus 3 for NDA.  Of course BJD swept the other 18.
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« Reply #152 on: May 16, 2014, 09:02:39 AM »
« Edited: May 16, 2014, 09:04:16 AM by ag »

I am not as despondent over this win as the rest of you are, even if he does strike me as Vladimir Putin's Indian protege. Honestly what could the west/US have done to prevent the BJP's return to power?


Nothing. Neither could it do much about the Sumatra tsunami. But it is a tragedy nevertheless - and, probably, the one that will result in an order of magnitude more deaths (Indian, mostly).

And, no, he is not Putin protege by any notion. But he might turn out to be an ally - which would take the disaster back home to the rest of us.
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« Reply #153 on: May 16, 2014, 09:40:44 AM »

Just to show how effective the NDA is in concentrating their vote in the right places.  In Odisha the UPA actually outpolled NDA 26.9% vs 21.5% but won 0 seats versus 3 for NDA.  Of course BJD swept the other 18.

Actually, this might be too early. None of the Orisha results has declared, and, as of this moment, BJP only leads in 1 (barely), BJD in 20.
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« Reply #154 on: May 16, 2014, 09:41:00 AM »

It's actually quite depressing in UP: Congress is down more than two dozen seats, and they're only holding on to two seats in the state: Sonia Gandhi's seat, and Rahul Gandhi's seat (where he's ahead at the moment).
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« Reply #155 on: May 16, 2014, 09:43:45 AM »

It's actually quite depressing in UP: Congress is down more than two dozen seats, and they're only holding on to two seats in the state: Sonia Gandhi's seat, and Rahul Gandhi's seat (where he's ahead at the moment).

Well, his lead is over a lakh now. He should win.
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« Reply #156 on: May 16, 2014, 10:00:14 AM »

The more the count continues the less impressive the NDA win looks from a vote share point of view.  They are at 38.77% for NDA and 24.36% for UPA.  38.77% is only slightly more than what UPA got 2009 (36.78%) and 2004 (36.74%) and not that much different from what NDA got in 1998 when they won 37.39%. 
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« Reply #157 on: May 16, 2014, 10:00:47 AM »

Hopefully the death toll will be low.

Indian FPTP is always an example of why FPTP is fail. It seems that there's almost always a huge disparity between the PV and the seat count. A significant but overall unimpressive win turns into a blowout of epic proportions.
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« Reply #158 on: May 16, 2014, 10:02:21 AM »

It's actually quite depressing in UP: Congress is down more than two dozen seats, and they're only holding on to two seats in the state: Sonia Gandhi's seat, and Rahul Gandhi's seat (where he's ahead at the moment).

In UP this is not the low for UPA. Back in 1998 it won 0 seats with 6.02%  vote share.  At least they get 2 seats this time with 8.5% vote share.
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« Reply #159 on: May 16, 2014, 10:15:55 AM »

It's interesting to consider that most countries with FPTP, we typically see little proliferation of minor parties; but India has piles of them.

Has their ever been any move to reform the electoral system?
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« Reply #160 on: May 16, 2014, 10:25:12 AM »

Nothing. Neither could it do much about the Sumatra tsunami. But it is a tragedy nevertheless - and, probably, the one that will result in an order of magnitude more deaths (Indian, mostly).

Lol. K.
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« Reply #161 on: May 16, 2014, 10:34:27 AM »

Any of the maps show how many incumbents defeated?
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« Reply #162 on: May 16, 2014, 10:53:08 AM »

It's interesting to consider that most countries with FPTP, we typically see little proliferation of minor parties; but India has piles of them.

Has their ever been any move to reform the electoral system?

The basic issue is that the literacy rate is too low for anything except FPTP or Israeli-style PR.
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« Reply #163 on: May 16, 2014, 11:32:57 AM »

It's interesting to consider that most countries with FPTP, we typically see little proliferation of minor parties; but India has piles of them.

Has their ever been any move to reform the electoral system?

The basic issue is that the literacy rate is too low for anything except FPTP or Israeli-style PR.

They have party emblems on ballot papers because of this, IIRC.
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« Reply #164 on: May 16, 2014, 11:47:47 AM »

NDA 334 (38.78%) UPA 61 (23.92%).  The vote share of both fronts are falling slowly over time as the count continues.
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« Reply #165 on: May 16, 2014, 11:51:49 AM »

http://www.hindustantimes.com/elections2014/election-beat/indian-americans-celebrate-modi-s-historic-win/article1-1219980.aspx

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« Reply #166 on: May 16, 2014, 12:03:51 PM »

Goodness gracious.
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« Reply #167 on: May 16, 2014, 12:34:23 PM »

Updated for at least some later changes:

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« Reply #168 on: May 16, 2014, 01:03:36 PM »

Why did AAP do best in the Punjab?
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« Reply #169 on: May 16, 2014, 01:22:47 PM »


Anti-incumbency against NDA at the state level and against the UPA at the national level.
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« Reply #170 on: May 16, 2014, 01:59:19 PM »


Mostly because there is strong anti-incumbency against the state SAD-BJP government.  In Punjab the state government is always defeated for the last few decades where SAD-BJP and INC alternate being in power.  In 2012 SAD-BJP actually won re-election when SAD splinter PPP took a bunch anti-SAD votes from INC.  As a result the buildup of scams and scandals are unusually high for SAD-BJP.  On the other hand, being in power in the center for 10 years also built out significant anti-incumbency for UPA.  So for voters fed up with both voted for AAP and we have a 3 way even split between INC-PPP, SAD-BJP, and AAP. 
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« Reply #171 on: May 16, 2014, 02:01:29 PM »

NDA 336 (38.57%) UPA 59 (23.82%).  The decline in vote share for both NDA and UPA continues.  38.57% is less than UPA won in 1989 (41.61%) when it only won 215 seats and less than UPA in 1991 (39.34%) when it won 259 seats.
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« Reply #172 on: May 16, 2014, 02:03:36 PM »


Interestingly, this is a very key point. A lot of funding and support for the BJP and it's affiliates comes from NRIs in the USA and UK.
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« Reply #173 on: May 16, 2014, 02:12:27 PM »

BSP and DMK both wiped out.  BSP lost all 21 seats and DMK lost all 18 seats.  JD(U) goes from 20 to 2.   BJD actually ended up with 18 which is 4 more than in 20009.  So BJD managed to blunt the BJP Modi wave in a place where BJP does have some strength.  Is is interesting that BJD managed to beat back Modi but JD(U) did not in Bihar.
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« Reply #174 on: May 16, 2014, 02:19:01 PM »

It's interesting to consider that most countries with FPTP, we typically see little proliferation of minor parties; but India has piles of them.

Has their ever been any move to reform the electoral system?

The basic issue is that the literacy rate is too low for anything except FPTP or Israeli-style PR.

They have party emblems on ballot papers because of this, IIRC.

Indeed. It would be absurd to expect voters to rank various options or to select a party and separately select a candidate or anything of that nature.
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