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« on: March 30, 2005, 05:56:38 AM »

Let's take a look at Ohio Representative Dennis Kucinich.

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(From his page on Animal Rights)
Compare this with:
http://www.kucinich.us/issues/rightsreproductive.php

So what do you think?  Is this hypocritical, or can you make sense out of Dennis' position?  (Keep in mind that, before running for president, Kucinich was anti-abortion.)
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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2005, 08:08:23 AM »

Nothing inconsistent here.  Fetii are not alive, they're just a part of the woman's body.
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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2005, 08:16:28 AM »

It's totally inconsistent.  This is part of the looney left's fascination with animal rights and their contempt for human rights.

While the fetus lives inside the mother, it has its own genetic code and is a separate life.

You can argue about when life begins, but I think it's absurd to be so obsessed about animal rights that you won't even eat an animal product, but then support abortion.
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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2005, 08:28:23 AM »

Nothing inconsistent here.  Fetii are not alive, they're just a part of the woman's body.

Technically, a vegan will refuse to eat even eggs. I do see somewhat of an inconsistency in that.
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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2005, 08:32:39 AM »

Nothing inconsistent here.  Fetii are not alive, they're just a part of the woman's body.

Technically, a vegan will refuse to eat even eggs. I do see somewhat of an inconsistency in that.

Perhaps the rationale is - it would be OK for the chicken herself to destroy the egg, but not for the Vegan to eat it.  So as long as they don't eat fetii, they're consistent.
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2005, 08:53:45 AM »

Nothing inconsistent here.  Fetii are not alive, they're just a part of the woman's body.

Technically, a vegan will refuse to eat even eggs. I do see somewhat of an inconsistency in that.

Perhaps the rationale is - it would be OK for the chicken herself to destroy the egg, but not for the Vegan to eat it.  So as long as they don't eat fetii, they're consistent.

I seriously doubt that's the rationale.
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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2005, 11:49:23 AM »

The funny thing is that Kucinich was Pro Life up until 2002.
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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2005, 12:05:56 PM »

Yeah a vegan can support abortion.

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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2005, 01:15:44 PM »

Hey vegans!

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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2005, 02:21:19 PM »
« Edited: March 30, 2005, 04:13:57 PM by Alcon »

Oh, damn AAA.  John Ford you stole my post.  Yep, vegans can support whatever the hell they want to, since they're going to die off anyway.  Sickly bastards.  Advice to the dinner party invitation:  always sit next to a vegan.  You'll get two portions of the entree. 

There's this guy in my department who I always try to sit next to at faculty luncheons.  He's a vegetarian, but not a vegan.  As an aside, he's always going on about Wal-Mart.  Funny thing, his kid, sweet girl too, now makes noises about getting to "go to Walmart" and "eat cheeseburgers" like all the other kids do.  I think she's a smart chick, but she'll be a monster one day.  I'd never tell anyone how to raise his kid, but clearly he's creating a depraved, deprived little bitch.  Oh, well, it just means more chickens and pigs for my son!  Hurrah for vegetarians!  They remind me of the early homonids who lost out to the meat-eating varieties whose brains grew larger as a result of their protein-rich diet.

Nice thing about the darwinistic worldview:  all problems take care of themselves.
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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2005, 02:37:45 PM »

So you're a Maddox fan too, angus?
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2005, 02:44:02 PM »
« Edited: March 30, 2005, 04:14:09 PM by Alcon »

now that guy can rant!  there are a couple of others out there too, but he doesn't let fear of being viewed as arrogant stand in his way of a good rant.  Usually the silent types scare me a little, but those who know the benefits of catharsis generally live better. 

Also, I have an intense moralistic objection of those who starve their children.  But, as I said, I do think it's a parent's right to starve their children, so I'll just be silent about it.  Wink

Like I said, it's more meat for my kid anyway. loosers.
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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2005, 02:47:20 PM »

he's always going on about Wal-Mart.  Funny thing, his kid, sweet girl too, now makes noises about getting to "go to Walmart" and "eat cheeseburgers" like all the other kids do.  I think she's a smart chick, but she'll be a monster one day. 

If she starts going to WalMart and eating cheeseburgers she'll be a monster - monstrously fat!

But I suppose she'll fit in better in America.
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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2005, 02:47:52 PM »

Nothing inconsistent here.  Fetii are not alive, they're just a part of the woman's body.

Technically, a vegan will refuse to eat even eggs. I do see somewhat of an inconsistency in that.

Yep.
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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2005, 02:50:46 PM »

Could anybody support it is the real question.
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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2005, 02:53:27 PM »

he's always going on about Wal-Mart.  Funny thing, his kid, sweet girl too, now makes noises about getting to "go to Walmart" and "eat cheeseburgers" like all the other kids do.  I think she's a smart chick, but she'll be a monster one day.

If she starts going to WalMart and eating cheeseburgers she'll be a monster - monstrously fat!

But I suppose she'll fit in better in America.

she'll goddamned well be monstrously fat if her body doesn't have the enzymes required to metabolyze the lipid and proteins found in those cheeseburgers.  I have no doubt that the first piece of meat she actually gets to eat will either make her deathly ill, or make her so addicted that she does become monstrously fat.  it's one thing to deprive your own body.  but to deprive your children seems like an awfully confident move.  hell, you're always going on about "saving children from their tyrannical parents", what with your newfound love of mankind, I'm surprised you haven't jumped in on this.  What?  oh, yeah, I forgot, you only want to "save children from religious tyrants" but not from irreligious ones.  sorry, mea culpa.  what was I thinking?!
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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2005, 04:15:05 PM »

Well, veganism is a personal preference. To be personally anti-abortion but to support abortion rights and to be vegan is not hypocritical. However, to believe that non-vegans are immoral and be OK with it being enforced by law and support abortion rights is.
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« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2005, 04:25:26 PM »

he's always going on about Wal-Mart.  Funny thing, his kid, sweet girl too, now makes noises about getting to "go to Walmart" and "eat cheeseburgers" like all the other kids do.  I think she's a smart chick, but she'll be a monster one day.

If she starts going to WalMart and eating cheeseburgers she'll be a monster - monstrously fat!

But I suppose she'll fit in better in America.

she'll goddamned well be monstrously fat if her body doesn't have the enzymes required to metabolyze the lipid and proteins found in those cheeseburgers.  I have no doubt that the first piece of meat she actually gets to eat will either make her deathly ill, or make her so addicted that she does become monstrously fat.  it's one thing to deprive your own body.  but to deprive your children seems like an awfully confident move.  hell, you're always going on about "saving children from their tyrannical parents", what with your newfound love of mankind, I'm surprised you haven't jumped in on this.  What?  oh, yeah, I forgot, you only want to "save children from religious tyrants" but not from irreligious ones.  sorry, mea culpa.  what was I thinking?!

Opebo likes 'em skinny so he can screw 'em the moment they turn 15. hahahahahaha
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« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2005, 04:37:02 PM »

StatesRights, what's the green ribbon for?

(that's 15 in Massachusetts and Mississippi only.  16 elsewhere I think.)
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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2005, 04:43:57 PM »

StatesRights, what's the green ribbon for?

(that's 15 in Massachusetts and Mississippi only.  16 elsewhere I think.)

www.terrisfight.org

Oh no! He doesnt care if they're legal age or not.
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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2005, 06:02:47 PM »

Ok, now I've had some more time to think on this. As I noted, vegans don't eat eggs or any other animal products. So, ultimately it comes down to why they don't eat eggs. If they believe that the egg is an animal, and therefore they shouldn't eat it, it's hypocritical for them to be for abortion. If they simply don't believe in eating eggs because they think that it's wrong to 'exploit' animals(like PETA), then it isn't hypocritical.
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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2005, 06:23:00 PM »

Being a vegan doesn't mean that you give up control of your own body.
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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2005, 06:27:01 PM »

StatesRights, what's the green ribbon for?

(that's 15 in Massachusetts and Mississippi only.  16 elsewhere I think.)
It's 16 here as well
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« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2005, 07:20:06 PM »

Nothing inconsistent here.  Fetii are not alive, they're just a part of the woman's body.

Technically, a vegan will refuse to eat even eggs. I do see somewhat of an inconsistency in that.

Yeah, it is hypocritical.

But then a lot of loony leftists tend to believe that animals are more sacred than humans, so I expect they probably wouldn't care about the unborn human fetus.
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« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2005, 08:52:10 PM »

I think he should do something with he hair.  That would fix most of the problem.
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