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GaussLaw
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« on: May 04, 2014, 10:34:28 PM »

What would the consensus be then?

In May 1978, would Carter be "unbeatable" despite a tough 1978 midterm?  Would Ronald Reagan be considered a Ted Cruz equivalent?

In May 1990, would anyone who said Bush was very vulnerable be laughed out of the park?

In May 1983, after the bruising '82 midterms, would anyone really say that Reagan was on his way to a 49-state landslide?


That being said, I still think Clinton is the favorite in the primary and the general, but I think too many people are seeing Clinton as inevitable.  In reality, predictions at this stage of the game would have been wrong about the same amount they'd have been right.

So as an exercise, who would be the Atlas favorite as next President in past elections at this point?

2016-Hilary
2012/2008/2004-I know Atlas was around back then, but I'm not quite sure.  Probably Obama(midterms weren't necessarily going to be "that bad" yet)/Giuliani or McCain/Bush

2000-Gore
1996-Some Republican(given '94 midterms)
1992-Bush
1988-Bush
1984-probably some Democrat
1980-Carter
1976-unknown Democrat
1972-don't know
1968-definitely not Nixon, but likely some Republican
1964-LBJ
1960-Nixon
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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2014, 10:43:18 PM »

I had a similar thread in 2012, on who the Intrade leader would have been in each election, if it had existed back then:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=153450.0
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2014, 01:54:45 AM »

1980 really disproved the moderates are more electable theory with Reagan doing better than Ford would have and Carter doing worse than Kennedy would have.
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2014, 06:49:22 AM »

When I was looking through old posts, I noticed that George Allen was being hyped as a formidable candidate around 2005 and 2006 and the consensus was that he would end up defeating whoever the Democrats nominated by a comfortable margin.
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2014, 10:55:22 AM »

What would the consensus be then?

In May 1978, would Carter be "unbeatable" despite a tough 1978 midterm?  Would Ronald Reagan be considered a Ted Cruz equivalent?

In May 1990, would anyone who said Bush was very vulnerable be laughed out of the park?

In May 1983, after the bruising '82 midterms, would anyone really say that Reagan was on his way to a 49-state landslide?


That being said, I still think Clinton is the favorite in the primary and the general, but I think too many people are seeing Clinton as inevitable.  In reality, predictions at this stage of the game would have been wrong about the same amount they'd have been right.

So as an exercise, who would be the Atlas favorite as next President in past elections at this point?

2016-Hilary
2012/2008/2004-I know Atlas was around back then, but I'm not quite sure.  Probably Obama(midterms weren't necessarily going to be "that bad" yet)/Giuliani or McCain/Bush

2000-Gore
1996-Some Republican(given '94 midterms)
1992-Bush
1988-Bush
1984-probably some Democrat
1980-Carter
1976-unknown Democrat
1972-don't know
1968-definitely not Nixon, but likely some Republican
1964-LBJ
1960-Nixon

Don't you mean Kennedy?  At this point in the 1964 cycle, Kennedy was still alive, well and coasting to a second term.

Just goes to show how much can change in such a short period of time.
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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2014, 10:59:47 AM »

What would the consensus be then?

In May 1978, would Carter be "unbeatable" despite a tough 1978 midterm?  Would Ronald Reagan be considered a Ted Cruz equivalent?

In May 1990, would anyone who said Bush was very vulnerable be laughed out of the park?

In May 1983, after the bruising '82 midterms, would anyone really say that Reagan was on his way to a 49-state landslide?


That being said, I still think Clinton is the favorite in the primary and the general, but I think too many people are seeing Clinton as inevitable.  In reality, predictions at this stage of the game would have been wrong about the same amount they'd have been right.

So as an exercise, who would be the Atlas favorite as next President in past elections at this point?

2016-Hilary
2012/2008/2004-I know Atlas was around back then, but I'm not quite sure.  Probably Obama(midterms weren't necessarily going to be "that bad" yet)/Giuliani or McCain/Bush

2000-Gore
1996-Some Republican(given '94 midterms)
1992-Bush
1988-Bush
1984-probably some Democrat
1980-Carter
1976-unknown Democrat
1972-don't know
1968-definitely not Nixon, but likely some Republican
1964-LBJ
1960-Nixon

Don't you mean Kennedy?  At this point in the 1964 cycle, Kennedy was still alive, well and coasting to a second term.

Just goes to show how much can change in such a short period of time.

Yeah, I just meant the incumbent was favored at that point.
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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2014, 01:45:08 PM »
« Edited: May 05, 2014, 01:47:51 PM by "'Oeps!' De blunders van Rick Perry 2016! »

What would the consensus be then?

In May 1978, would Carter be "unbeatable" despite a tough 1978 midterm?  Would Ronald Reagan be considered a Ted Cruz equivalent?

Carter would've been the favorite (there's a tendency to bet on the incumbent) but not unbeatable. I think even in late '77, from stuff I've seen/read, he was considered a possible one-termer. Reagan was not a Cruz equivalent; he was taken very seriously after '76.

In May 1990, would anyone who said Bush was very vulnerable be laughed out of the park?

Probably. I thought he was potentially vulnerable because of the economy/political cycles.

In May 1983, after the bruising '82 midterms, would anyone really say that Reagan was on his way to a 49-state landslide?

No.

I guess you're really talking about who was most likely next president in the year of the midterms?

2010 - Obama.
2006 - This is difficult. Partly because I wasn't here back then so I don't know what people were saying. I never took Giuliani seriously at all, so it's always surprising to read claims he was a favorite. And this early, people thought Bill Frist and George Allen were GOP frontrunners. McCain I didn't think could win the nomination. I thought Hillary would have trouble too; I probably would have bet on Gore or Edwards (Obama was not a factor yet). Mark Warner was also in the mix, especially on boards like this. I think "the Democrats" were already favorites by May '06 (Bush was pretty unpopular) but McCain probably lead individually.
2002 - Bush
1998 - Gore. May '98 was smack in the middle of Lewinskygate - Gore could have been the incumbent by 2000.
1994 - Clinton. The House was still considered "safe" until fall. There's the incumbency, Clinton's charisma, the economy starting to recover, and Dole (the GOP frontrunner) being a dud candidate, though some thought he was formidable.
1990 - Bush.
1986 - Bush was not considered a strong candidate. There was an awareness of how bad veeps had done historically. I think it would've been close between him and Gary Hart.
1982 - Again, close between Reagan (incumbent) and either Kennedy or Mondale. This board would have preferred Reuben Askew.
1978 - Carter. I think there was already some talk of Kennedy by then, though.
1974 - Kennedy (notice a pattern?), maybe Scoop Jackson.
1970 - Nixon. Kennedy had just been through Chappaquiddick, and I don't think Muskie became frontrunner until later.
1966 - LBJ, from what I understand, was a pretty heavy favorite until the '68 NH primary. Given the '64 landslide, RFK was probably considered more likely than any Republican. Rockefeller after that.
1962 - JFK obviously.
1958 - Nixon, but not heavily. In reading about the '60 election, I was surprised to learn that JFK was already considered quasi-frontrunner (among Democrats) in '58, and lead Nixon in some polls.
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2014, 01:56:18 PM »

2014 Hilary
2010 Obama
2006 Hilary
2002 Dubya 911
1998 Dubya
1994 Clinton
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2014, 10:44:29 PM »

I posted a similar thread during the past election. I asked everyone to imagine the forum back in October of 1980 and asked what our predictions would be for the 1980 election between Reagan and Carter. I think most people said they would be predicting a Reagan win, but since this is Atlas, I have the feeling the consensus would have been a slim Carter win until after that famous debate ("there you go again")
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