SENATE BILL: Clean Energy Research Act of 2014 (Law'd)

[Frodo]

I still haven't gotten to the links yet (take forever to load), but is there a tentative date when fusion, "goes nuclear"? How many years are we wlooked at, at this point?

You mean when energy providers here could begin constructing nuclear fusion power plants -replacing the older fission power plants- to the benefit of US/Atlasian energy consumers?  

That would be a matter of decades.  Though given this is a research-oriented bill, I'm assuming (and hoping) you are looking at the long-term, and not just seeking immediate results.  

An ideal energy research bill (in real life) would be looking at natural gas, clean coal, renewables, and nuclear fission in the short to medium term, with investments into nuclear fusion and hydrogen power over the longer term.  With expanded tax credits for energy efficiency to smooth the way forward.   

At least that's how I would construct it.  

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

In real life yes, but some of that has already been done, except the clean coal I believe spread throughout several bills. I wouldn't be against "repeal and replacing" them though.

[Goldwater]

Honestly, when it comes to things like energy and transportation Atlasia is so different from the U.S. that I'm never really sure what the best course of action is. Does this liberal paradise even use fossil fuels anymore?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

No, it runs on fuel synthesized from granola.


Of course it uses fossil fuels, but in diminished amounts since it likely costs far more ot use it hear adn thus various alternatives are relatively cheaper.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Well I'm open to expanding nuclear power in the event that solar power requires too much land to handle the number of people we will need to cover. I do remember trying to expand nuclear back in my senate days, but I have no idea if it passed. I think Franzl and I worked together on it.

We also tried to implement a cap and trade system, but that fell flat.

[Lumine]

In the meantime, and addressing some simple issues:

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Section 3:

$5 6 billion shall be appropriated for the specific scientific research of biomass, ethanol, geothermal energy, non-uranium based nuclear power, nuclear fussion power, and solar energy in the form of photovoltaic panels, one billion each.

Section 4:

The Nuclear Power Amendment Act shall be amended as follows:

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I have to say I had forgotten about the foreign policy impact of this one, specially in regards to Crimea. I guess that only makes this whole project more attractive, xD

I still haven't gotten to the links yet (take forever to load), but is there a tentative date when fusion, "goes nuclear"? How many years are we wlooked at, at this point?

You mean when energy providers here could begin constructing nuclear fusion power plants -replacing the older fission power plants- to the benefit of US/Atlasian energy consumers?  

That would be a matter of decades.  Though given this is a research-oriented bill, I'm assuming (and hoping) you are looking at the long-term, and not just seeking immediate results.  

An ideal energy research bill (in real life) would be looking at natural gas, clean coal, renewables, and nuclear fission in the short to medium term, with investments into nuclear fusion and hydrogen power over the longer term.  With expanded tax credits for energy efficiency to smooth the way forward.    

At least that's how I would construct it.  

Do you have any specific ideas on tax breaks? I might as well include them here to speed up the process.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

What is the advantage of non-uranium nuclear power?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You offering that as an amendment, Lumine?

[Lumine]

You offering that as an amendment, Lumine?

Of course!

[Frodo]

I still haven't gotten to the links yet (take forever to load), but is there a tentative date when fusion, "goes nuclear"? How many years are we wlooked at, at this point?

You mean when energy providers here could begin constructing nuclear fusion power plants -replacing the older fission power plants- to the benefit of US/Atlasian energy consumers?  

That would be a matter of decades.  Though given this is a research-oriented bill, I'm assuming (and hoping) you are looking at the long-term, and not just seeking immediate results.  

An ideal energy research bill (in real life) would be looking at natural gas, clean coal, renewables, and nuclear fission in the short to medium term, with investments into nuclear fusion and hydrogen power over the longer term.  With expanded tax credits for energy efficiency to smooth the way forward.    

At least that's how I would construct it.  

Do you have any specific ideas on tax breaks? I might as well include them here to speed up the process.

The tax breaks provided under the stimulus package passed in President Obama's first year in office would be an excellent starting point.

For individuals.

And for businesses.

[Frodo]

What is the advantage of non-uranium nuclear power?

1. Provides more energy from a given weight of fuel than any other source, and that fuel (deuterium) can be found naturally and abundantly in the world's oceans.

2. Provides the benefits of renewable energy sources (long-term energy supply, no greenhouse gas emissions), without their shortcomings (uninterrupted power supply).  So it is very reliable.

3. Half-life of radioactive waste from fusion power plants is less than that from traditional fission power plants, and far less of it is produced.  The radioactive material in the core of a fusion power plant would be dangerous for about fifty years -low level waste remains dangerous for another one hundred years.

Waste from fission power plants, on the hand, can last for thousands of years.
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And these are just some of the ones that immediately come to mind.  

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Bit of doomsday paranoia here, but that fission waste has to be cooled day in and day out for the full extent of that time using elecriticty to do it. If the power were to go out and for longer than the generators can power the cooling systems, these will melt down just like the reactors themselves. Fusion has much less of such waste and it only takes a few decades to get rid of it.

[Lumine]

It seems I made a few mistakes with the earlier proposed amendment, I will replace it with this:

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Section 3:

$5 billion shall be appropriated for the specific scientific research of biomass, ethanol, geothermal energy, non-uranium based nuclear power, nuclear fusion power, and solar energy in the form of photovoltaic panels, one billion each.

Section 4:

The Nuclear Power Amendment Act shall be amended as follows:

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[Cincinnatus]

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Section 3:

$5 billion shall be appropriated for the specific scientific research of biomass, ethanol, geothermal energy, non-uranium based nuclear power, nuclear fusion power, and solar energy in the form of photovoltaic panels, one billion each.

Section 4:

The Nuclear Power Amendment Act shall be amended as follows:

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Feedback: Origination
Status: 24 hours to object.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The amendment has been adopted. 61:13 I think.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Where are we now on this?

[Lumine]

Where are we now on this?

I believe the original bill as I envisioned it would be ready, but I'm waiting to see if we are actually going with the long-term plan for energy.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What is the support like amongst the other members. I think a long term approach is desirable but is there the apetite to take on such a task at this juncture?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

What is the total increased cost called for by this bill?  Is the spending in Section 3 a part of the spending listed in section 2?

[Lumine]

What is the total increased cost called for by this bill?  Is the spending in Section 3 a part of the spending listed in section 2?

Not really, Section 3 would be entirely new spending. The current text would mean spending 7 Billion in research for Sections 2 and 3, but I haven't really calculated the expenses involved in Section 4.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So whats next or are we nearing completion?

[Lumine]

So whats next or are we nearing completion?

Seems the long term approach will require another bill (I will get to work on that). In the meantime, and with this one almost ready, I'm ready for a final vote as well.

[Cincinnatus]

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Section 3:

$6 billion shall be appropriated for the specific scientific research of biomass, ethanol, geothermal energy, non-uranium based nuclear power, nuclear fussion power, and solar energy in the form of photovoltaic panels, one billion each.

Section 4:

The Nuclear Power Amendment Act shall be amended as follows:

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A final vote is now open on the aforementioned final text.  Senators, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

NAY

Increasing our already generous subsidies to the nuclear industry is just too much spending than I can support.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Nay.