Balance of Power - The Great Russian War (1903-1904) (The End)

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

We had already notified Germany that we would collaborate in writing the treaty; however, Germany imposed their own (which, among other issues, was almost unreadable) and demanded we accept their unilaterally-made draft without proper prior discussion on naval limitations and on the exact nature of the future of the Balkan states. Germany is now claiming that they will break the ceasefire unless we accept the imposed terms without question; if they take that step instead of continuing the peace talks which have already made so much progress, the blood will be on their hands.

[windjammer]

We had already notified Germany that we wouldtt collaborate in writing the treaty; however, Germany imposed their own (which, among other issues, was almost unreadable) and demanded we accept their unilaterally-made draft without proper prior discussion on naval limitations and on the exact nature of the future of the Balkan states. Germany is now claiming that they will break the ceasefire unless we accept the imposed terms without question; if they take that step instead of continuing the peace talks which have already made so much progress, the blood will be on their hands.
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That s not true. The condition for the ceasefire pas the transformation of AH into AHS Serbia Monténégro and the test of Yougoslavie becoming an autonomous kingdom of AHS.

What Snowstalker has done was to change his mind and ti propose me parts of Ukraine. We clearly told him few days ago se didn t want parts of Ukraine because It would add problems.


No. Snowstalker and I agree to cease fire

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

I don't entirely know what you're trying to say.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Having been kept informed by the Germans on the negotiations I can firmly state you are simply not telling the truth, again.

Also, the only reason Berlin has drafted a treaty is because you were delaying it. If you were so eager to make peace with Germany, why the stalling? Russia was very quick to sign an agreement with us, the United Kingdom and the Japanese Empire. Your ill will is obvious.

We had enough of your constant lies and demagoguery. Your word is not worth of the paper it is written on. How can any government engage in talks with such an untrustworthy part? The Tsar lost his credibility and no just cannot count on him to keep his work.

Therefore, the Ottoman Empire no longer recognized Tsar Nicholas as a partner in any intergovernmental talks and we refuse to maintain any relations with Russia until he is out of power.

(OOC: And yes, I'm also pissed that your constant delaying crap keeps all of us from moving with the game. You are frequently online but you can't make a damn map based on your deal with Mindjammer that you promised to make?)

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

OOC: I made a map and windjammer rejected it. I wasn't delaying a treaty; I have a life and things to do in it. Germany has already lied repeatedly to us and taken advantage of Russia's generosity so  I doubt he is giving the full truth to Constantinople either.

[windjammer]

OOC: I made a map and windjammer rejected it. I wasn't delaying a treaty; I have a life and things to do in it. Germany has already lied repeatedly to us and taken advantage of Russia's generosity so  I doubt he is giving the full truth to Constantinople either.

Kal, could you post my peace proposal please?
Plan I proposed to him before his plan.

And I would have never accepted to cease fire for parts of Ukraine.
i ceased fire because we accepted the transformation of AH into AHS. And then he cganged his mind and refused.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

I did more reading and more thought into the topic and decided that reforming Austria-Hungary would not be an effective solution (and anyway, it should be handled internally by Austria-Hungary), especially as, again, it would be unfeasible to impose said terms on Serbia when their military and government are completely intact and as the Austrian army has utterly failed to invade Serbia. My original proposal was merely to disband the Orthodox League as an alliance but leave all member states independent, which Germany ignored and then imposed what they are advocating now, and are now threatening to break the ceasefire and end talks if we do not simply bend over to all their demands. The international community should condemn Germany's cynical attempt to take advantage of the crisis with Japan (which has been completely resolved) to unilaterally impose a new European order.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

So, you just changed your mind against previous agreement?

Again, you're utterly undependable and any talks with you seems to be pointless. Frankly I doubt you were sincere before.

[Dr. Cynic]

Oh for f**k sake...

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

So, you just changed your mind against previous agreement?

Again, you're utterly undependable and any talks with you seems to be pointless. Frankly I doubt you were sincere before.

Austria backed out of a peace treaty after I had already posted it to sign, yet I don't see Constantinople condemning them for being indecisive or insincere.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

OOC: Seriously, if Snowstalker is so determined to drag the war on then let him have it, but I strongly protest about it causing futher delays in moving to next phases.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Germany is the one openly threatening to leave the ceasefire agreement if they do not get everything they want.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

JFC.

[windjammer]

JFC.

Anyway, we had a deal and Snowstalker chose not to respect It znymore

[Spamage]

Да здравствует революция !

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

OOC: Due to this breakdown, I propose that if the two sides won't sort our their differences by early tomorrow, we'll proceed with the next round instead of arguing.

[windjammer]

So will the war continue?
There is no way I can accept Snowstalker's plan:

This map is definitely terrible for AH:
-AH gets new minorities, additional tensions.
-The borders would be indefendable
-and Snowstalker would be able to recreate the Orthodox League really soon, because they would stay independent countries.


Here was my plan, plan that Snowstalker agreed before changing his mind (that's why we ceased fire, I wouldn't have accepted to cease fire for Ukraine's parts)/


Here was my plan:

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Seriously,
This plan was fair and generous for Russia. Russia saved face. And the minority problems in the Balkans is resolved, because AH would be happy to have resolved the problems, and Serbia; Montenegro would be happy to finally get their autonomy.

And experts would guarantee that...

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

It is clear that Germany and Austria-Hungary simply won't accept Russian quasi-dominance on the Balkans via satelite governments. And the Ottoman Empire fully supports their position.

Politically and militarily, Russia is not in position to make demands. Petrograd can keep deluding itself by hysterical and bombastic remarks, but it won't save it from falling soon.

Also, the Tsar has already shown his word cannot be trusted, so it is only natural our allies wants real guarantees.

We believe no deal is possible other than the Tsar accepting the reality or relinquishing his throne. Otherwise, there's no point of taking him seriously.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Quasi-dominance on the Balkans? Austria controls a large swathe of the Balkans directly, Bulgaria is neutral (which seems to be working to their disadvantage), and Greece and Albania are Italian satellites. Montenegro, Serbia, and Romania all have natural Russian influence--we helped to secure their independence and helped them seize their rightful lands from you, but they are independent governments who voluntarily chose to join the Orthodox League--just as Greece and Bulgaria voluntarily refused our offer of alliance.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

The Ottoman Empire will not break it's peace with Russia. We will continue to cooperate with Russian local authorities in the Caucasus region to ensure that its terms are observed as usual.

However, in the light of Petrograd's constant lies, intrigues and aggression, we have no other choice but to declare we no longer recognize Mr. Nicholas Romanov as a legitimate representative of the Russian Empire on world stage.

Instead, we recognize the Grand Duke Alexei as legitimate Tsar the international community can, through a regent, do a business with.

x Abdul Hamid II

[Spamage]

Alongside severing our diplomatic ties, trade with the Russian Empire is to be strictly prohibited until new leadership is established or peace is declared. The Russians appear to be untrustworthy and trading with them would be far too risky.

[Donerail]

To clarify: Japan continues to recognize and trade with the current Tsar. We urge a swift end to Europe's war.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Although it was not a part of our peace treaty, we have voluntarily permitted Russian ships an innocent passage through the straits, believing, the Russians can be trusted.

However, we are currently considering joining British economical sanctions by prohibiting Russian merchant ships, not to mention military vessels, from accessing the straits until the war is over.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

How do none of you understand the absurdity of the Teutons' demands to write away the sovereignty of two independent, intact countries (Serbia and Montenegro)? If you wish to push towards the cessation of conflict you ought to implement sanctions on the intransigent and belligerent Germans as well.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

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