MW: Midwest LGBT Equality, Hate Crimes and Suicide Prevention Act (Failed)

[windjammer]

This is progress, but again, I don't think Fred Phelps or the Westboro Baptist Church should be evicted, in spite of their terrible views. An amendment that gets rid of that last sentence would be great.

Could you explain your opposition to the last article?

Sure.

I believe that Fred Phelps and Westboro Baptist Church have every right to espouse their crazy beliefs, as it is their right to free speech. That right should not be infringed upon by the state. That last sentence would be unconstitutional, plain and simple.

So you definitely believe the right of free speech allows them to constantly say horrible words, to sabotage funerals etc?
I'm not even sure the right of free speech is in the Atlasia Constitution!
And I side with Alito on this issue!

[Maxwell]

This is progress, but again, I don't think Fred Phelps or the Westboro Baptist Church should be evicted, in spite of their terrible views. An amendment that gets rid of that last sentence would be great.

Could you explain your opposition to the last article?

Sure.

I believe that Fred Phelps and Westboro Baptist Church have every right to espouse their crazy beliefs, as it is their right to free speech. That right should not be infringed upon by the state. That last sentence would be unconstitutional, plain and simple.

So you definitely believe the right of free speech allows them to constantly say horrible words, to sabotage funerals etc?
I'm not even sure the right of free speech is in the Atlasia Constitution!
And I side with Alito on this issue!

Absolutely. And like the U.S. constitution: It's the first amendment.

[windjammer]

This is progress, but again, I don't think Fred Phelps or the Westboro Baptist Church should be evicted, in spite of their terrible views. An amendment that gets rid of that last sentence would be great.

Could you explain your opposition to the last article?

Sure.

I believe that Fred Phelps and Westboro Baptist Church have every right to espouse their crazy beliefs, as it is their right to free speech. That right should not be infringed upon by the state. That last sentence would be unconstitutional, plain and simple.

So you definitely believe the right of free speech allows them to constantly say horrible words, to sabotage funerals etc?
I'm not even sure the right of free speech is in the Atlasia Constitution!
And I side with Alito on this issue!

Absolutely. And like the U.S. constitution: It's the first amendment.

I still believe in the Alito's interpretation.

[windjammer]

Can Arturo call a vote?

[Arturo Belano]

I hereby call a 48-hour vote.

[Maxwell]

Hold on, did Adam Fitzgerald even approve of the amendment to his bill?

[LeBron]

Hold on, did Adam Fitzgerald even approve of the amendment to his bill?

No, I didn't because it abolishes a key part of the bill. Heck, it's 1/3rd of what the bill is! So I'm still undecided on what I'll vote on it for now, but I do agree with you there that Section 2, Sub-Section 3 is bit extreme. It's too late, but here's another amended version to it leaving the other 2 sub-sections in.

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[Maxwell]

The process here is a mess, and validates what I've said for a long time: it's time to streamline the process and make rules so that the person who is the Archduke is doing things with some form of order.

[windjammer]

The process here is a mess, and validates what I've said for a long time: it's time to streamline the process and make rules so that the person who is the Archduke is doing things with some form of order.

No way. This is a small region. I was Archduke before being Governor, and I began my term with 2 representatives often missing votes. It's the best way to slow Althing's work.
And an another note, the fact that there is no rule allows Arturo to block the vote when he wants. With "real rules", it would have been impossible.

[Maxwell]

Real rules would allow us to carve out the details, issuing what authority Arturo has to block votes. and Slowing down the althings work may not be a bad thing: we can actually discuss legislation properly, allow some back and forth, and allow Adam Fitzgerald to oppose and hold a vote on the amendment to his bill.

This issue may have me returning to the Midwest Government pretty soon.

[Senator Cris]

Real rules would allow us to carve out the details, issuing what authority Arturo has to block votes. and Slowing down the althings work may not be a bad thing: we can actually discuss legislation properly, allow some back and forth, and allow Adam Fitzgerald to oppose and hold a vote on the amendment to his bill.

This issue may have me returning to the Midwest Government pretty soon.

I agree with Max.

[LeBron]

Real rules would allow us to carve out the details, issuing what authority Arturo has to block votes. and Slowing down the althings work may not be a bad thing: we can actually discuss legislation properly, allow some back and forth, and allow Adam Fitzgerald to oppose and hold a vote on the amendment to his bill.

This issue may have me returning to the Midwest Government pretty soon.

It's nothing really to worry about at all. If Arturo can cancel votes, then what's the problem? I'll take responsibility for not proposing an altered-altered version to Brewer's amendment sooner and I really think you're going after the wrong guy. 2 bills at a time works good to and it sets good order for the Althing.

Besides, OT but you just became Attorney General. You'll be painted as an opportunist if you run against Arturo.

[Arturo Belano]

I'm going to go ahead and suspend the 48-hour vote and allow discussion on this bill to continue.

[windjammer]

Real rules would allow us to carve out the details, issuing what authority Arturo has to block votes. and Slowing down the althings work may not be a bad thing: we can actually discuss legislation properly, allow some back and forth, and allow Adam Fitzgerald to oppose and hold a vote on the amendment to his bill.

Well, as  Archduke, I have worked without rules without problems. I don't think Brewer, Cris, or anything else could seriously criticize my job as Archduke.
Amendments have always been respected. I have always followed what Yankee did for senate:
-Representatives or anything else had 24/48 hour to oppose (opposition= a vote, no opposition= no vote).
What you're doing is to totally blame the Althing's work since your election just for one mistake that has made Arturo. Arturo is a recent Archduke, he has to adapt himself to the new situation. The job of Archduke is the most difficult. Ii should have sent him a PM earlier in order to explain him what exactly I was doing as Archduke (my rules,...). We don't need official rules, because yes, it would slow the Althing's work, like sometimes in the Atlasia senate where some senators miss the vote,...
I have sponsored some bills improving the current situation: the creation of the Chief Justice Official, the creation of the President Pro Tempore, and soon the possibility for the governor to make a redraft.

The problem isn't the lack of official rules, it's more because Arturo has to learn experience. And this episode will definitely improve his capacity of leading the Althing, especially in case of an amendment. He knows right now what he has to do when we have an amendment. He's a good Archduke, and he will become better with experience.
Real rules will change nothing, except some court cases for cancelling a vote.

This issue may have me returning to the Midwest Government pretty soon.

Oh please, you don't believe your words yourself. You have always liked the office of Midwest Governor. I expect you will be running against me in the next gubernational race, it's not because of Althing rules issues.
And, you're not the savior of the Midwest anymore. The Midwest isn't inactive anymore, we have passed a lot of bills during your absence, you can verify by yourself and I won't let you take a small mistake made by Arturo for building your next political campaign.

[Maxwell]

Real rules would allow us to carve out the details, issuing what authority Arturo has to block votes. and Slowing down the althings work may not be a bad thing: we can actually discuss legislation properly, allow some back and forth, and allow Adam Fitzgerald to oppose and hold a vote on the amendment to his bill.

This issue may have me returning to the Midwest Government pretty soon.

It's nothing really to worry about at all. If Arturo can cancel votes, then what's the problem? I'll take responsibility for not proposing an altered-altered version to Brewer's amendment sooner and I really think you're going after the wrong guy. 2 bills at a time works good to and it sets good order for the Althing.

Besides, OT but you just became Attorney General. You'll be painted as an opportunist if you run against Arturo.

The election isn't for two months, so I think I'll be fine, thank you. I don't really care about the perception, because it's not opportunistic (if anything I'm going down some pegs). And 2 bills at a time is good, I agree, but I think it's something we should put in writing. Even if we do, we can amend it.

I don't see what the negatives are if we have a set of rules that the legislature can change. Yes, there have been no problems, but why would it be so bad to do something and get some organization? I'm really puzzled by this.

[windjammer]

Because this is unnecessary and nocive.
More the Archduke has liberty, better it is. He just has to know what he has to do.
Nocive because this will definitely slow even more the Althing's job without resolving any problems, creating other problems. I don't want to have bills being invalidated because "Representatives hadn't had 24 hour to change their vote",  because "1 Representative had missed the vote", because "1 representative had failed to vote in time".

[windjammer]

Well, time to speak about this law again.

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Personally I consider this is a good compromise.

[Arturo Belano]

I call a 24-hour vote on windjammer's amendment. If no response, the amendment automatically passes.

[LeBron]

Aye!

[Senator Cris]

Nay

[Brewer]

Aye

Was there a vote on my amendment that I missed?

[Arturo Belano]

The amendment passes.

Brewer, you are welcome to re-introduce your amendment so I could call a vote on it.

[Arturo Belano]

Any further discussion?

[Brewer]

Yes, I'm reintroducing my amendment.

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[Arturo Belano]

I call a 24-hour vote on Brewer's amendment. If no response, the amendment automatically passes.