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« Reply #75 on: March 31, 2014, 10:24:14 PM »

10:39 pm EST

Michigan:
√ Al Gore: 50.7%
Rudy Giuliani: 48.4%

Mayor Rudy Giuliani: 189 (49.7%)
President Al Gore: 109 (49.0%)

"Al Gore takes Michigan after some pause tonight, but it remains with the Democrats, cutting off a state the Giuliani campaign believed they could take away from Gore tonight, but it was not to be. Continuing to look now at the exit polls from Florida, we can see it is a narrow lead for Gore, but a take away that he may take the state tonight." -- Dan Rather

Florida Exit Poll:
Al Gore: 51%
Rudy Giuliani: 48%

Florida: 83% Reported (Gore: 123,022 votes ahead)
Al Gore: 3,424,444 (50.9%)
Rudy Giuliani: 3,301,422 (49.1%)

Ohio: 91% Reported (Giuliani: 134,787 votes ahead)
Rudy Giuliani: 2,899,888 (51.8%)
Al Gore: 2,765,101 (48.8%)

New York: 57% Reported (Giuliani: 67,336 votes ahead)
Rudy Giuliani: 4,168,788 (50.4%)
Al Gore: 4,101,452 (49.6%)

"These are the big states we are watching as they will most likely decide who becomes President of the United States. We're coming up on eleven o'clock here on the east and we can project for Al Gore the state of Pennsylvania. He wins the Keystone State once more." -- Dan Rather

Pennsylvania:
√ Al Gore: 50.8%
Rudy Giuliani: 47.9%

Mayor Rudy Giuliani: 189 (49.7%)
President Al Gore: 130 (49.1%)

"We are now ready to make a major projection. It is 10:51 and we are projecting Ohio for Mayor Giuliani. The state of Ohio once more goes for the Republican candidate, but with it the Presidency, well we don't know yet." -- Dan Rather

Ohio:
√ Rudy Giuliani: 51.8%
Al Gore: 48.7%

Mayor Rudy Giuliani: 209 (49.8%)
President Al Gore: 130 (49.1%)
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« Reply #76 on: April 01, 2014, 02:28:38 AM »

Damn come on President Gore!!
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« Reply #77 on: April 01, 2014, 04:18:35 AM »

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« Reply #78 on: April 01, 2014, 04:43:55 AM »

If Gore loses New York he needs IA, WI, MO, FL, NM, and NV in addition to the west coast and HI. Translation: without NY, it's probably game over.
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« Reply #79 on: April 01, 2014, 04:34:25 PM »

Colorado:
√ Rudy Giuliani: 52%
Al Gore: 47%

"Mayor Giuliani has taken the state of Colorado, a state which President Gore tried to make competitive, but it stays in the Republican column again tonight, making it's Democratic turn in 1996 an anomaly it would seem. We do have a state to project for Mr. Gore, the President will win New Mexico. New Mexico stays red for Gore. Exit polls showed the President leading by one to two points, but the results have been tighter than a drum tonight, but we project that he will carry. An expected Gore win, no major surprise here." -- Dan Rather

Mayor Rudy Giuliani: 218 (49.7%)
President Al Gore: 135 (49.1%)

"There is the map, 218 for Giuliani and 135 for Gore. We are watching the races in Florida, a close one down there, Missouri extremely close. Iowa is close, but leaning slightly for Gore. Wisconsin is extremely close. We are coming up on eleven o'clock here on the east coast and the polls will close in five states and we will see what projections we can make it." -- Dan Rather

California:
√ Al Gore: 57%
Rudy Giuliani: 42%

Hawaii:
√ Al Gore: 56%
Rudy Giuliani: 43%

Washington:
√ Al Gore: 54%
Rudy Giuliani: 45%

Idaho:
√ Rudy Giuliani: 60%
Al Gore: 39%

Mayor Rudy Giuliani: 222 (49.5%)
President Al Gore: 205 (49.3%)

"There is map at now eleven o'clock. A close contest in Oregon, we cannot yet project a winner, but if the record hold, Gore will carry it tonight, but right now it is too close for us to project. We can call the state of Arizona for Mr. Giuliani." -- Dan Rather

Arizona:
√ Rudy Giuliani: 54%
Al Gore: 45%

Oregon: Too Close to Call
Al Gore: 50.2%
Rudy Giuliani: 47.9%

Nevada: Too Close to Call (Giuliani +2.2)
Rudy Giuliani: 50.5%
Al Gore: 48.3%

Florida: Too Close to Cal (Gore +1.8 )
Al Gore: 50.9%
Rudy Giuliani: 49.1%

Missouri: Too Close to Call (Giuliani +0.5)
Rudy Giuliani: 49.7%
Al Gore: 49.2%

Iowa: Too Close to Call (Gore +1.5)
Al Gore: 50.1%
Rudy Giuliani: 48.6%

Wisconsin: Too Close to Call (Giuliani +0.2)
Rudy Giuliani: 49.52%
Al Gore: 49.50%

New York: Too Close to Call (Giuliani +1)
Rudy Giuliani: 50.1%
Al Gore: 49.1%

"We are now ready to project that Mayor Giuliani will win the state of Nevada

Mayor Rudy Giuliani: 237 (49.5%)
President Al Gore: 205 (49.4%)

"Mayor Rudy Giuliani is now thirty-three votes shy of the Presidency and we are still watching to see what direction these very important remaining states fall." -- Dan Rather
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« Reply #80 on: April 01, 2014, 08:38:11 PM »

Fox News and ABC News can project Missouri Secretary of State Matt Blunt (R) has won the governorship of Missouri, ending 12 years of Democratic dominance. Blunt defeated the Democratic nominee, State Auditor Claire MxCaskill (D) 51% to 48% .

Joe Manchin (D) has won the West Virginia governorship in a landslide victory and in North Carolina, Governor Mike Easley (D) won reelection.


Please let people do their own TLs.
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« Reply #81 on: April 01, 2014, 08:48:25 PM »

Did Easley win easy? (had to)
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« Reply #82 on: April 02, 2014, 08:37:07 AM »

Yes.
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« Reply #83 on: April 02, 2014, 08:44:55 AM »

Fox News and ABC News can project Missouri Secretary of State Matt Blunt (R) has won the governorship of Missouri, ending 12 years of Democratic dominance. Blunt defeated the Democratic nominee, State Auditor Claire MxCaskill (D) 51% to 48% .

Joe Manchin (D) has won the West Virginia governorship in a landslide victory and in North Carolina, Governor Mike Easley (D) won reelection.


Please let people do their own TLs.

Great timeline by the way.
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« Reply #84 on: April 02, 2014, 01:42:18 PM »

Fox News and ABC News can project Missouri Secretary of State Matt Blunt (R) has won the governorship of Missouri, ending 12 years of Democratic dominance. Blunt defeated the Democratic nominee, State Auditor Claire MxCaskill (D) 51% to 48% .

Joe Manchin (D) has won the West Virginia governorship in a landslide victory and in North Carolina, Governor Mike Easley (D) won reelection.


Please let people do their own TLs.

Great timeline by the way.

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« Reply #85 on: April 02, 2014, 02:11:37 PM »

"We're coming at forty-three minutes past eleven here on the east and it looks like now, finally we can project a winner in the state of Iowa. We are projecting Iowa for President Al Gore." -- Dan Rather

Iowa:
√ Al Gore: 50.2%
Rudy Giuliani: 48.5%

Mayor Rudy Giuliani: 237 (49.5%)
President Al Gore: 212 (49.5%)

"This election is looking to make 2000 look like a landslide, both candidate are essentially tied in the popular vote, with Mayor Giuliani leading narrowly in the electoral vote. We expected this race to be close, but I don't believe anyone expected it to be the nail biter we're watching right here, right now.

We do have another major projection to make, in the state of Florida, we can project that Al Gore has won the state of Florida again. The sunshine state stays Democratic once again." -- Dan Rather


Florida: 99% Reported
√ Al Gore: 50.9%
Rudy Giuliani: 48.9%

President Al Gore: 239 (49.5%)
Mayor Rudy Giuliani: 237 (49.5%)

"There you have the map. For the first time tonight President Al Gore has claimed a lead in the electoral vote, it's by two, but maybe that's needed. Florida, it went for Gore four years ago, it goes for him again tonight.

We should note we have been hearing a lot of rumblings coming from inside many Democratic circles tonight, that possibly and we cannot emphasize the word enough, that possibly the Democrats will contest the results in some of the states. Wisconsin, do to it's narrowness along with possibly the state of New York. If they go for Rudy Giuliani tonight, and there is some indication that they will, we could see a possible recount take place in those states."

It looks like we can now make a projection in the state of Missouri, we project that Rudy Giuliani will carry the state, keeping it Republican once more." -- Dan Rather


Missouri:
√ Rudy Giuliani: 49.8%
Al Gore: 49.0%

Mayor Rudy Giuliani: 248 (49.5%)
President Al Gore: 239 (49.4%)

"This changes the dynamics entirely. Missouri, a state Al Gore hoped he could pickup, but it eludes him, though by a closer margin than four years. All eyes now are focused on the states of Wisconsin and New York. Two polar opposites in a lot of ways, and looking them electorally, Al Gore won New York handily four years ago and Senator Hutchison narrowly won Wisconsin, so this really a tale of two states tonight. Here is the current number in Wisconsin, Mayor Giuliani continues to hold onto his narrow lead." -- Dan Rather

Rudy Giuliani: 49.51%
Al Gore: 49.50%

Oregon: Too Close to Call
Al Gore: 49.8%
Rudy Giuliani: 48.1%

BREAKING NEWS: DEMOCRATS LOOKING FOR RECOUNT IN WI RACE

BREAKING NEWS: REPUBLICANS RECLAIM CONTROL OF SENATE; DEMS KEEP HOUSE

BREAKING NEWS: RUDY GIULIANI ELECTED PRESIDENT
New York: Giuliani: 50.2% --  Gore: 49.0%

"Major news to report. At this time, CBS News can now project that Rudolph Giuliani, Former Mayor of New York City has won the Presidency. He carries the state of New York and with that he is now President-Elect of the United States." -- Dan Rather

√ Mayor Rudy Giuliani: 279 (49.7%)
President Al Gore: 239 (49.3%)

"No word yet on a concession from Al Gore, but at this time we are projecting Rudy Giuliani to be the next President of our United States. He did it. He's won. The state of New York puts him over the top and as we now approach twelve o'clock on the east coast we can project for him the state of Alaska, giving him now 282 electoral votes to the President's 239 electoral votes. Mayor Giuliani has more than enough needed to become President." -- Dan Rather
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« Reply #86 on: April 02, 2014, 02:23:43 PM »
« Edited: April 02, 2014, 05:01:19 PM by NHI »

Wisconsin was eventually projected for Rudy Giuliani at 3:13 AM, putting him at 292 electoral votes to Al Gore's 246. Following the close results in New York the Gore campaign considered a full recount, but the final tally showed Giuliani ahead of Gore by 1.2 percent and rather than drag on the process, Al Gore called Giuliani and conceded the Presidency at 3:35 AM. Gore spoke to his supporters and pledged unity, while offering President-Elect Giuliani the best of luck over the coming four years. Pundits attributed Gore's loss to Democrat fatigue and for the soft economy which Giuliani and his campaign exploited. Gore's campaign largely ignored the issue of the economy, but failed to make the argument that Giuliani was weak on national security and frankly never could make the argument.

After being elected by a close margin, Gore lost the Presidency in a similar fashion. The final tally in the electoral vote, after a recount was pursued in Wisconsin (which still narrowly went to Giuliani: 49.49% - 49.45%) was a razor thin victory for Giuliani, who in his acceptance speech pledged to bring "Republicans and Democrats together after such a close campaign, we must work on our shared ideals and do what is in the best interest of the greatest country on earth."

Turnout: 58.2%
√ Mayor Rudy Giuliani: 292 (50.1%)
President Al Gore: 246 (49.0%)
Other: 0 (0.9%)

Closest States:

Wisconsin:
√ Rudy Giuliani: 49.49%
Al Gore: 49.45%

New York:
√ Rudy Giuliani: 50.2%
Al Gore: 49.0%

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« Reply #87 on: April 02, 2014, 02:26:24 PM »

Fox News and ABC News can project Missouri Secretary of State Matt Blunt (R) has won the governorship of Missouri, ending 12 years of Democratic dominance. Blunt defeated the Democratic nominee, State Auditor Claire MxCaskill (D) 51% to 48% .

Joe Manchin (D) has won the West Virginia governorship in a landslide victory and in North Carolina, Governor Mike Easley (D) won reelection.

Why do you post these? This is not a collaborative effort.
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« Reply #88 on: April 02, 2014, 05:42:46 PM »

Sanchez, I was trying to update Senate and Governor's campaigns in the 2004 campaign.

Question is who will Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius (D) appoint to Brownback's Senate seat?

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« Reply #89 on: April 02, 2014, 09:02:10 PM »

Sanchez, I was trying to update Senate and Governor's campaigns in the 2004 campaign.

Question is who will Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius (D) appoint to Brownback's Senate seat?



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« Reply #90 on: April 02, 2014, 09:03:12 PM »

Sanchez, I was trying to update Senate and Governor's campaigns in the 2004 campaign.

Question is who will Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius (D) appoint to Brownback's Senate seat?


But that is not your call to make. You do not announce the results. That makes it collaborative.
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« Reply #91 on: April 02, 2014, 09:35:25 PM »

I was too young to follow the 2000 and 2004 election closely.  Was it possible that Giuliani  could have won New York in real life? 
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« Reply #92 on: April 02, 2014, 10:22:40 PM »

It was later revealed Bush viewed Gore like many Democrats viewed his father heading into his reelection in 1992 -- unbeatable.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CanonDiscontinuity
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« Reply #93 on: April 02, 2014, 10:27:19 PM »

So now that Gore has lost to Giuliani, the spotlight now goes on to both Obama and Hilary on the Democratic side and for the Republicans, U.S. Senator George W. Bush (R-TX) sees any hope for the presidency dwindling unless he pulls a Francis Underwood.

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« Reply #94 on: April 03, 2014, 12:09:28 PM »

It was later revealed Bush viewed Gore like many Democrats viewed his father heading into his reelection in 1992 -- unbeatable.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CanonDiscontinuity

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« Reply #95 on: April 03, 2014, 02:36:36 PM »

NHI, wondering who would be in Giuliani's cabinet?

I assume the transition between Guiliani and Gore is peaceful or ugly due to the campaign.
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« Reply #96 on: April 03, 2014, 04:47:13 PM »

The Presidential Cabinet of Rudy Giuliani

Vice President: Sam Brownback
Sec. of State: Colin Powell
Sec. of Treasury: Judd Gregg
Sec. of Defense: Robert Gates
Attorney General: George Pataki
Sec. of the Interior: Gale Norton
Sec. of Agriculture: Ann Veneman
Sec. of Commerce: Meg Whitman
Sec. of Labor: Elaine Chao
Sec. of Health and Human Services: Tommy Thompson
Sec. of Transportation: Ray LaHood
Sec. of Energy: Samuel Bodman
Sec. of Education: Jeb Bush
Sec. of Veteran's Affairs: James Peake
Sec. of Homeland Security: Tom Ridge

Rudy Giuliani began his term as President with a 58 percent approval rating and instantly began his work on the economy and to deal with the War in Afghanistan. Giuliani managed to push through Congress a successful tax cut package, aimed at jump starting the economy. The tax cut largely succeeded and unemployment began to dip below 5 percent. As a result of the improving economy and Giuliani's handling of the War on Terror which included many terrorist leaders his approval rating remained relative highly.


"The man many expected to make another run for the Presidency, as Al Gore started to flounder in 2004 was former President Bill Clinton. According to aids the former President watched in horror as a his protege failed to take on Giuliani, but Clinton suffered his own setback in the fall of 2004 when he underwent a quadruple coronary artery bypass surgery. The incident took Clinton off the campaign trail for Gore with it many seemed his hopes of running for President again.

In 2005 he went in for a followup surgery, removing scar tissue and fluid from his left chest cavity. By the fall of 2006 Clinton looked to be on the swing, but the improving economy, coupled with President Giuliani's superb handling Hurricane Katrina Republicans increased their majorities in the Senate and retook control of the US House of Representatives.

In early 2007 Democrats weren't too eager to take on the incumbent Giuliani who still held a 56% approval rating. Though some on the right moaned about him being too moderate and not conservative enough, most pundits laughed off the idea of a serious primary challenger, citing the lack of a candidate. In the spring of 2007 Former North Carolina Senator John Edwards launched his campaign for President, taking on an economic populist theme, starting with a speech that became the center of his campaign, dubbed "A Tale of Two America".

Following Edwards' entrance Former New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson entered the race, as did Senator John Kerry. Former President Bill Clinton pondered a second presidential run, but ultimately decided to pass. While he did not cite his health, many speculated it was the main reason for his decision. Bill Clinton's decision to forgo a second bid for the White House put the spotlight on Hillary who many suspected for years was planning her own eventual bid for President. Ultimately, Hillary Clinton passed on a '08 bid. In light of Giuliani's popularity and apparent era of Republican dominance Clinton viewed a Democrat win in 2008 would be slim and she did not want to the losing Democrat.

The Democratic filed ultimately included the aforementioned names, along with Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich and Indiana Senator Evan Bayh.


Democratic Nomination Poll:
John Kerry: 30%
John Edwards: 20%
Evan Bayh: 17%
Bill Richardson: 9%
Dennis Kucinich: 5%
Undecided: 19%

The lackluster Democratic field made Republican happy. Most polls showed Kerry as the likely Democratic candidate, though some suspected either Evan Bayh or John Edwards could be a dark horse in the wings. The first test of Kerry's strength or lack there of was in Iowa. The Massachusetts Senator lost the contest to John Edwards and Evan Bayh. Kerry finished a dismal third, seriously damaging his campaign for the Presidency. In New Hampshire Kerry rebounded with a close win, followed by Edwards.

Kerry Wins NH with 34% to Edwards' 33%.

The remained of the primary was a contest between Edwards and Kerry. The following contests after NH were Nevada and South Carolina, which they split. Kerry wins the former and Edwards the latter. On Super Tuesday Kerry swept most of the big contests in New York and California, but Edwards walked away with more delegates after carrying the caucus states. The battle continue long into March, with both candidates scoring victories. However, by the end of the spring Edwards amassed enough delegates through contests and super delegates to push him over the top and clinch the Democratic nomination. Kerry conceded and ultimately accepted the position of VP on the ticket.

The Democratic Nominee
√ John Edwards: 13,329,222 (50.24%)
John Kerry: 11,524,002 (43.43%)
Other: 6.33%

General Election Poll: June 2008
President Rudy Giuliani: 51%
Senator John Edwards: 42%
Undecided: 7%

Republican Primary: 2008
√ Rudy Giuliani: 8,942,444 (96.7%)
Other: 301,333 (3.3%)
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« Reply #97 on: April 04, 2014, 09:36:14 AM »

The Democrats
In his convention speech Edwards did not attack Giuliani by name, using his time to promote his own name and the agenda he would push as President. He called for change, saying "It is time for America to get moving again and achieve its' potential in the 21st century."

Rudy Rallies Republicans
Giuliani wasted no time bashing his Democratic challenger, making the election not a referendum, but a choice in 2008. "My opponent Senator Edwards talks about change, but change for change sake is not a great justification. These are changing times in America, but now is not the time for someone who is untried. We offer steadiness in times of change and I ask you my fellow American to continue to stand with me."

General Election Poll: Post Democratic Convention
Giuliani: 48%
Edwards: 45%
Undecided: 7%

General Election Poll: Post Republican Convention
Giuliani: 50%
Edwards: 45%
Undecided: 5%

President Giuliani: 216
Senator John Edwards: 214
Tossup: 108

North Carolina Poll:
John Edwards: 48%
Rudy Giuliani: 47%

Ohio Poll:
Rudy Giuliani: 49%
John Edwards: 46%

Florida Poll:
Rudy Giuliani: 49%
John Edwards: 47%

Virginia Poll:
Rudy Giuliani: 48%
John Edwards: 46%

Pennsylvania Poll:
John Edwards: 48%
Rudy Giuliani: 45%

President Giuliani's Approval Rating:
Approve: 53%
Disapprove: 41%
No opinion/undecided: 6%
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« Reply #98 on: April 04, 2014, 12:25:12 PM »

Giuliani pulls a Nixon by launching Southern Strategy.

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« Reply #99 on: April 04, 2014, 01:46:46 PM »

Edwards Tries to make Southern States Competitive
The Edwards' campaign devoted a lot of its' resources and efforts to recapturing many of the southern states like Virginia, West Virginia, Missouri and Kentucky, won by Bill Clinton in '92 and '96. Most polls showed Edwards was within in reach with Missouri and Virginia, while Kentucky and West Virginia were a stretch.

Giuliani Launches a Northern Strategy
Dubbed by many in the media as a Northern Strategy, to counter Edwards' potential gains in the South Giuliani began targeting Democratic strongholds since Bill Clinton's victory in 1992. Giuliani began targeting Connecticut, New Jersey, Maine, and Pennsylvania; states that were reliably Republican for decades. He launched his reelection campaign fro New York, hoping to carry the Empire State again as he had done in 2004. Polls indicated the race in New York was tight, though some gave Giuliani a point or two advantage.

Edwards Campaign: Jobs and Economy Tour

Giuliani Campaign: Tested Leadership

Giuliani Reaches out to Hispanics
Ad Running in: NV, CO, AZ, NM, TX and FL

General Election Poll: Giuliani +2
President Rudy Giuliani: 49%
Senator John Edwards: 47%

Giuliani Ad: Tested. Trusted. Ready
Ad airing in: NH, OH, PA, NY, NJ, FL, MN, WI, MI
"John Edwards: A one term term Senator. Is he ready to lead? No major accomplishments in Congress. A campaign with no clear direction. Compare that to President Giuliani: Passed the largest tax cut in American history. Millions of Americans working again. The economy growing. An unsteady world Giuliani provides vision. Steady leadership in times of change."
RE-ELECT RUDY
"I'm Rudy Giuliani and I approved this message."
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