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« on: February 21, 2014, 11:21:02 AM »
« edited: February 21, 2014, 11:23:30 AM by Thomas Jefferson »

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/20/california-state-division/5661143/

I would love a state named Jefferson.
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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2014, 11:26:49 AM »

This is literally a thing now?
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2014, 11:37:27 AM »

One rich guy supporting it does not a viable plan make.
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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2014, 11:57:45 AM »

Most of this is just the rich trying to separate itself from the poor and inland conservatives from the liberal coast.

Sore loser syndrome.
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2014, 11:58:26 AM »

I'd support this in theory, but the splits are so idiotic that I'd campaign vigorously against it.
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2014, 02:13:05 PM »

I'd like it...Democrats would likely gain at least a couple seats in the Senate, and maybe more.
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2014, 02:22:15 PM »

Silicon Valley would be a stupid name for a state.
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2014, 03:34:11 PM »

Good luck with that bro.
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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2014, 03:40:27 PM »

Because California has become completely ungovernable, he's bankrolling a ballot proposition to break the state up.
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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2014, 03:45:00 PM »

Silicon Valley would be a stupid name for a state.

Especially since it includes a whole bunch of land that isn't silicon valley.  The other four names show a lack of creativity.


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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2014, 03:45:59 PM »

Who would this help in presidential elections.
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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2014, 03:52:34 PM »

Who would this help in presidential elections.

Well, we'd get ten new senators, so 110 senators.  (Assume 8 of the 12 would be Democrat and 4 would be Republican if you want.)  110 Senators and 435 house seats + DC makes it 548.  Split that 548 up by census and do all the little rounding--estimate it by the population of the counties in the new states--and come up with number of electoral votes for each of the six states.  That should give you the answer, assuming you know which, if any, of the states would go winner take all.  That's another kink.  Some may do it like Nebraska.  
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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2014, 03:54:42 PM »

There's a better chance of D.C. becoming a state while the Republicans control the House.
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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2014, 03:57:05 PM »

Silicon Valley would be a stupid name for a state.

Especially since it includes a whole bunch of land that isn't silicon valley.  The other four names show a lack of creativity.



Wouldn't even help the GOP that much.  All I can see them carrying are Jefferson and Central California in maybe a good year.
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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2014, 04:05:49 PM »

Silicon Valley would be a stupid name for a state.

Especially since it includes a whole bunch of land that isn't silicon valley.  The other four names show a lack of creativity.




What is the logic behind the Jefferson/Northern California split? I've always known the upper North has wanted to secede because it feels silenced by the Bay Area liberals, but it would probably still be a GOP state if those two merged.

The area marked as Jefferson would be the population of Montana.  Totally ridiculous.

Also the names are poor.

North as Jefferson is fine, Central California should be called Sierra, Silicon Valley should be Northern California and then West/South should be merged, since there's very literally different culturally about them and be Southern California.
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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2014, 04:24:04 PM »

Silicon Valley would be a stupid name for a state.

Especially since it includes a whole bunch of land that isn't silicon valley.  The other four names show a lack of creativity.




What is the logic behind the Jefferson/Northern California split? I've always known the upper North has wanted to secede because it feels silenced by the Bay Area liberals, but it would probably still be a GOP state if those two merged.

The area marked as Jefferson would be the population of Montana.  Totally ridiculous.

Also the names are poor.

North as Jefferson is fine, Central California should be called Sierra, Silicon Valley should be Northern California and then West/South should be merged, since there's very literally different culturally about them and be Southern California.

More likely than not it's the same thing as a gerrymander, only taken to the extreme.  It's just a very, very bad gerrymander for a really, really stupid idea.
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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2014, 04:27:51 PM »

This reminds me of the epic timeline Rumsfeldia: Fear and Loathing in the Decade of Tears.
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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2014, 04:28:09 PM »

Wouldn't even help the GOP that much.  All I can see them carrying are Jefferson and Central California in maybe a good year.

Yeah; Democrats would need a wave to carry Jefferson:

2012
49/46 Romney
51/49 Emken

2010
53/39 Fiorina
49/44 Whitman

2008
49/48 Obama
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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2014, 04:31:59 PM »

If this weren't a political power grab and a serious attempt to make California a better state government, a better solution would be to do a new constitution and turn it into a commonwealth of sorts.  So, a bill to pass the legislature would have to go through not a House and Senate, but a Northern House and Southern House.  There would only be 2 Senators to answer to Washington, but the internals of the state would function as its own nation.
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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2014, 05:31:57 PM »

What's the rough population breakdown of each of these?
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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2014, 05:41:55 PM »

This reminds me of the epic timeline Rumsfeldia: Fear and Loathing in the Decade of Tears.
It does! Rummy has been using it on an international scale as well, which will appear later when Drew updates it again (not for a long, long time, sadly).

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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2014, 05:45:27 PM »

It does! Rummy has been using it on an international scale as well, which will appear later when Drew updates it again (not for a long, long time, sadly).

I know I can't wait! The Fear and Loathing series in general is possibly my favorite timeline ever written.
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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2014, 05:49:01 PM »

Anyone know what the numbers would look like in Southern California?
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« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2014, 05:54:49 PM »

These are spectacularly poor boundaries, of course; "North California" stands out in particular as not making any sense.
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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2014, 06:05:15 PM »

'advances' is a very relative concept
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