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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2014, 10:06:30 PM »

You do realize that West Virginia has trended R for the past six elections, right?
Tennessee, Arkansas, and Kentucky for the past five.

Yes, I do. The question is: Why have they been trending (oder should I say: trended) R in the last elections?
I have to admit that Tennessee will be quite hard for Clinton. But the other states love her.
Only Huckabee could put obstacles in her way, but never would he run against her. He pays her too much respect to do such a step.
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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2014, 10:11:46 PM »

You do realize that West Virginia has trended R for the past six elections, right?
Tennessee, Arkansas, and Kentucky for the past five.

Trend is just a fallacious concept.
Indiana had trended R in 1996, in 2000 and in 2004 before Obama unexpectedly conquered it four years later.
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« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2014, 10:28:29 PM »

I'd say she'd win somewhere between 200-400 EV's realistically. Maps will come later.
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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2014, 10:33:18 PM »

You do realize that West Virginia has trended R for the past six elections, right?
Tennessee, Arkansas, and Kentucky for the past five.

Yes, I do. The question is: Why have they been trending (oder should I say: trended) R in the last elections?
I have to admit that Tennessee will be quite hard for Clinton. But the other states love her.
Only Huckabee could put obstacles in her way, but never would he run against her. He pays her too much respect to do such a step.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/167144/wyoming-residents-conservative-liberal.aspx

Look where West Virginia is.
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« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2014, 10:47:38 PM »


But Hillary isn't a liberal, she's progressive. Wink

Keep in mind: West Virginia has both a Democratic governor and two Democratic U.S. senators.
Almost the same with Arkansas, minus one Dem. senator.

WY, MS, ID and UT don't have one single Democratic statewide office holder.
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« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2014, 10:50:38 PM »

By saying that West Virginia has all those Democratic officials, Romney should have lost the state in a landslide, but he didn't.
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« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2014, 10:58:21 PM »

By saying that West Virginia has all those Democratic officials, Romney should have lost the state in a landslide, but he didn't.

Because the West Virginians didn't vote for Romney but rather against Obama.
Look at the latest WV Democratic primary: Obama almost lost against a finally convicted inmate, who wasn't even able to campaign. I was truly surprised that Romney didn't hit 70%.
It'd be interesting to know how low the turnout was in WV.
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« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2014, 11:04:41 PM »

And you do know that Hillary will be tied to the unpopular Obama, right?
And the fact that you are suprised that Romney didn't hit 70%   is disturbing.
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« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2014, 11:05:10 PM »

From Wikipedia:

West Virginia Democratic Party:

United States Senate delegation: 2 / 2
[United States House of Representatives delegation: 1 / 3]
Executive offices: 5 / 6
West Virginia Senate: 24 / 34
West Virginia House of Delegates: 54 / 100

Democratic Party of Arkansas:

    Governor: Mike Beebe
    U.S. Senator: Mark Pryor
    Attorney General: Dustin McDaniel
    State Auditor: Charlie Daniels
    State Treasurer Charles Robinson
    Land Commissioner John Barns

Democratic Party of Kentucky:

    Governor - Steve Beshear
    Lieutenant Governor - Jerry Abramson
    Secretary of State - Alison Lundergan Grimes
    Attorney General - Jack Conway
    State Auditor of Public Accounts - Adam Edelen
    State Treasurer - Todd Hollenbach
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« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2014, 11:10:09 PM »

Actually, I am not suprised you thought Romney would win 70%   of West Virginia.
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« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2014, 11:10:21 PM »

And you do know that Hillary will be tied to the unpopular Obama, right?
And the fact that you are suprised that Romney didn't hit 70%   is disturbing.

I know! That will be the straw the GOP is going to grasp at.
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« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2014, 11:14:15 PM »

And you do know that Hillary will be tied to the unpopular Obama, right?
And the fact that you are suprised that Romney didn't hit 70%   is disturbing.

I know! That will be the straw the GOP is going to grasp at.
I can't put you on ignore  you at least seem to have enthusiasm, unlike others have here that spew nonsense. Too bad you sent using it on worthwhile topics.
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« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2014, 11:14:53 PM »

Actually, I am not suprised you thought Romney would win 70%   of West Virginia.

At least I would have had a better sense of Appalachia's mindset than most users:

https://uselectionatlas.org/PRED/PRESIDENT/2012/pred.php?action=statepred&fips=54
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« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2014, 11:16:38 PM »

And you do know that Hillary will be tied to the unpopular Obama, right?
And the fact that you are suprised that Romney didn't hit 70%   is disturbing.

I know! That will be the straw the GOP is going to grasp at.
I can't put you on ignore  you at least seem to have enthusiasm, unlike others have here that spew nonsense. Too bad you sent using it on worthwhile topics.

We'll meet again in two and a half years. Wink
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« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2014, 11:17:10 PM »

Actually, I am not suprised you thought Romney would win 70%   of West Virginia.

At least I would have had a better sense of Appalachia's mindset than most users:

https://uselectionatlas.org/PRED/PRESIDENT/2012/pred.php?action=statepred&fips=54
Most people we're expecting high fifties....closer to 62% than 70% is.
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« Reply #40 on: February 01, 2014, 11:21:47 PM »

Actually, I am not suprised you thought Romney would win 70%   of West Virginia.

At least I would have had a better sense of Appalachia's mindset than most users:

https://uselectionatlas.org/PRED/PRESIDENT/2012/pred.php?action=statepred&fips=54
Most people we're expecting high fifties....closer to 62% than 70% is.

You can't know...
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« Reply #41 on: February 01, 2014, 11:26:44 PM »

Max:


Min:
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« Reply #42 on: February 01, 2014, 11:39:01 PM »

Max:



Clinton: 447
GOP: 91
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Min:



Clinton: 273
GOP: 265
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« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2014, 12:54:11 AM »

Max:



Clinton: 447
GOP: 91
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Min:



Clinton: 273
GOP: 265

LMAO hacks.
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« Reply #44 on: February 02, 2014, 03:43:04 PM »

This is what I think, almost 3 years out.

Maximum:



Hillary: 466 EVs
GOP: 72 EVs


Minimum:



Hillary: 317 EVs
GOP: 221 EVs


I'm pretty confident Hillary will win no matter what. And probably she will win big as well. Good luck to anyone who dares running against her.
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« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2014, 03:56:58 PM »

Electionsguy, at least Excelsius minimum map is better than the guys above me. Tongue
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« Reply #46 on: February 02, 2014, 04:03:05 PM »

Electionsguy, at least Excelsius minimum map is better than the guys above me. Tongue

I'm just waiting for you to ignore me, as you've done With all the other Democrats at this forum. Wink
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« Reply #47 on: February 02, 2014, 04:04:49 PM »

Because I have realized that you just don't know any better.
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« Reply #48 on: February 02, 2014, 04:06:34 PM »

Maximum: 538
Minimum: 0

I think this question is better if it's something like "5th and 95th percentiles".
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« Reply #49 on: February 02, 2014, 05:48:50 PM »

Are there any recent polls of her likability in Arkansas?  I don't think there's any doubt she would have won it in 2004, but it's been away from the state for over 20 years and Arkansas has clearly drifted to the right since then...
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