Gay Marriage comes to Indiana?

[SteveRogers]

Why should I be denied the right to visiting rights for my spouse while a heterosexual can do that? Surely you don't believe homosexuality is a choice considering the fact that you are one and haven't been able to cleanse yourself of this awful disease.

This is either an extremely delusional person or a troll.

Despite this leftist-esque rudeness, I'm happy to let you know:

A) No human being would *ever* deny you the ability to see your loved one in the hospital.
B) Arrangements do not require marriage to be redefined.
C) Contractual arrangements can be made.
D) Just because I disagree with your worldview, doesn't make me a troll.
E) Label me all you want - everyone is different, everyone has different ideas.

Why should a homosexual couple have to go through the trouble of drafting a contract in advance to secure hospital visitation rights (the need for which may be unforeseeable)  while a married heterosexual couple gets that benefit automatically without any forethought? Do you know how many thousands of dollars in legal costs are involved in drafting individual contracts for joint property ownership, power of attorney, inheritance, etc.? (i.e. things taken for granted by married couples). Moreover, under current law can a "contractual arrangement" be made between two individuals to secure things like Social Security survivor's benefits, joint filing of tax returns, and exemptions from inheritance taxes? (Spoiler alert: nope).

Contractual arrangements don't solve everything.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

They're on the wrong and losing side of the argument - they'll get more desperate and aggressive  for a while. Like those who thought marriage between races was forbidden by God... they'll be shoved aside while society moves on. These people are sitting in the seats that are so cheap that the theatre pays people to sit in them...

And seriously, if you're 'trying' to make an argument, please... don't make up a word.

[Hifly]

I wasn't aware characteristics were civil rights.

Why is it so important to you that the homosexualist agenda is is shoved in our faces?

Why is it important to shove your right wing agenda in mine? Being right wing is a choice so go do it at home and keep it away from children.

You're a right winger (in the UK context). Are you an official Tory member or just a supporter?

[afleitch]

I wasn't aware characteristics were civil rights.

Why is it so important to you that the homosexualist agenda is is shoved in our faces?

Why is it important to shove your right wing agenda in mine? Being right wing is a choice so go do it at home and keep it away from children.

You're a right winger (in the UK context). Are you an official Tory member or just a supporter?

I was a member. I stood in the 2007 locals.

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

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Not sure how a ballot initiative with one side blaring the horns of confidence of inevitability of same-sex 'marriage' is shoving an agenda into your face.

You have forced this new definition of marriage on us, that's just the bottom line. That's the real reason for all of this is for Christians to feel upset. That's my opinion as to why this is happening.

Me and plenty of other Christians not only support gay marriage, but open our churches to homosexuals, ordain them, marry them, and include them in our social and spiritual activities.

You are not speaking for all Christians, and there is no conspiracy to 'make Christians feel upset.'  Stop bringing religion into things that do not concern religion.

[pbrower2a]

I wasn't aware characteristics were civil rights.

Why is it so important to you that the homosexualist agenda is is shoved in our faces?

Nobody chooses homosexuality. Nobody can explain it. So it is in the same league as height or skin color (OK, people can choose to tan or not tan).

Which would scare you least about a son?

"Mom! Dad! I am at the police station charged with grand theft auto".

Hypodermic syringe hidden in a drawer.

A neo-Nazi tattoo (swastika, SS runes, etc).

Alcoholic beverage containers in the bedroom under clutter.

"Mom! Dad! I've been busted for heroin!"

Paraphernalia related to illegal gambling.

"Gangster chic".

"I love to go out with a baseball bat and beat up f@ggots."

"I just don't understand it. I'm GAY!"

...All but the latter require some intervention. Gays and lesbians simply cannot love people of the other gender. They can still love without exploitation and abuse. They can act with caution on sex.

[Badger]

I wasn't aware characteristics were civil rights.

Why is it so important to you that the homosexualist agenda is is shoved in our faces?

"Homosexualist agenda". But you claim to be gay.

TROLL!!!!!!!!!

[All Along The Watchtower]

I wasn't aware characteristics were civil rights.

Why is it so important to you that the homosexualist agenda is is shoved in our faces?

"Homosexualist agenda". But you claim to be gay.

TROLL!!!!!!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppression#Internalized_oppression

[Badger]

I wasn't aware characteristics were civil rights.

Why is it so important to you that the homosexualist agenda is is shoved in our faces?

"Homosexualist agenda". But you claim to be gay.

TROLL!!!!!!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppression#Internalized_oppression

I hear you and understand the concept of self-hating gays. But his lingo throughout his posting history, capped y this fail sundae, is he's a troll, not gay.

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

****BREAKING****

U.S. District Judge Richard Young has just ruled the law defining marriage between a man and a woman is unconstitutional. No word if they can begin immediately as no stay has been issued, but Attorney General will appeal.




More Information: Richard Young was nominated to the court for Southern Indiana by President Bill Clinton in July 1997, and confirmed and commissioned in March 1998. He ordered county clerks to issue marriage licenses, and on 6/25/14, 8 counties began issuing them. He was also the judge to order out-of-state gay marriages be recognized on April 10, 2014. The case was Baskin v. Bogan

[Gass3268]

Is there any difference striking down a law rather than striking down a constitutional amendment?

[politicallefty]

Is there any difference striking down a law rather than striking down a constitutional amendment?

No. All state constitutions and state laws are subordinate to the US Constitution per the Supremacy Clause.

[Morning in Atlas]

Congrats, Clarko.

[retromike22]

****BREAKING****

U.S. District Judge Richard Young has just ruled the law defining marriage between a man and a woman is unconstitutional. No word if they can begin immediately as no stay has been issued, but Attorney General will appeal.

Yayyyyyyyy so when's the wedding?

[tmthforu94]

...and they have begun issuing licenses, at least in Marion County. What a great day for Indiana!

[IceSpear]

JCL must be thrilled.

Nah, President Palin and Senator Mourdock will swiftly fix this.

[Hifly]

This is really going to help Democrats in Southern Illinois.

Hopefully Senator Richard Young, who is a staunch supporter of the proposed Constitutional Amendment banning SSM, will effectively publicize his Pro-Traditional Values credentials in order to win re-election in his conservative district.

[SNJ1985]

Me and plenty of other Christians not only support gay marriage, but open our churches to homosexuals, ordain them, marry them, and include them in our social and spiritual activities.

You can't call yourself a Christian and endorse something that is in direct violation of the Bible's teachings...

[eric82oslo]

Me and plenty of other Christians not only support gay marriage, but open our churches to homosexuals, ordain them, marry them, and include them in our social and spiritual activities.

You can't call yourself a Christian and endorse something that is in direct violation of the Bible's teachings...

Jesus is also a part of the Bible, if you didn't know it already. What Jesus says trumps everything else in the Bible. Jesus is basically the one man Supreme Court of the Bible. His words are constitutional law.

[Person Man]

Me and plenty of other Christians not only support gay marriage, but open our churches to homosexuals, ordain them, marry them, and include them in our social and spiritual activities.

You can't call yourself a Christian and endorse something that is in direct violation of the Bible's teachings...

Jesus is also a part of the Bible, if you didn't know it already. What Jesus says trumps everything else in the Bible. Jesus is basically the one man Supreme Court of the Bible. His words are constitutional law.

The message preached by Jesus on this subject was the exact same message put forth in the Bible. Jesus condemned the practice of homosexuality.

www(dot)apologeticspress(dot)org/APContent.aspx?category=7&article=1627

Only Paul condemned homosexuality in the New Testament.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

I thought that they weren't voting on it this year.

[SNJ1985]

Me and plenty of other Christians not only support gay marriage, but open our churches to homosexuals, ordain them, marry them, and include them in our social and spiritual activities.

You can't call yourself a Christian and endorse something that is in direct violation of the Bible's teachings...

Jesus is also a part of the Bible, if you didn't know it already. What Jesus says trumps everything else in the Bible. Jesus is basically the one man Supreme Court of the Bible. His words are constitutional law.

The message preached by Jesus on this subject was the exact same message put forth in the Bible. Jesus condemned the practice of homosexuality.

www(dot)apologeticspress(dot)org/APContent.aspx?category=7&article=1627

Only Paul condemned homosexuality in the New Testament.

Paul did so based on the guidance he received from the Holy Spirit. Jesus said, "The Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

I thought that they weren't voting on it this year.

Correct, the public will not vote on a constitutional amendment to define marriage as being between a man and a woman (in addition to banning a ton of other stuff) as a state law already does. However, a federal court ruled the law unconstitutional based on the U.S. constitution. If this is upheld, the amendment would be dead. Permanently. Forever.

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

Congrats, Clarko JCL.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Oh, this FC creature is another JCL... God bless election years.