Roe v. Wade

[John Dibble]

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Thanks.

By your interpretation, this allows anything that you think should be allowed simply because it isn't specifically prohibited.

Or, let me translate it into something you might understand - because of the Ninth, I have the right to not pay my taxes.

[WalterMitty]

roe vs. wade is really irrelevant.

if it were overturned today, it wouldnt stop some women from wanting the procedure.

im very much opposed to abortion personally.  but im adult enough to realize that some people feel differently than me.  why should i tell them what not to do?

[danwxman]

Might as well abolish Congress if you're going to give the courts that kind of power.

Uhh, the courts have always had the power (at least since Marshall set the precedent) to override congress....and they should.

[A18]

Might as well abolish Congress if you're going to give the courts that kind of power.

Uhh, the courts have always had the power (at least since Marshall set the precedent) to override congress....and they should.

They're supposed to make objective decisions. If the Supreme Court is going to strike down anything it believes to be a violation of liberty, then they are a full law making body.

[The Duke]

roe vs. wade is really irrelevant.

if it were overturned today, it wouldnt stop some women from wanting the procedure.

im very much opposed to abortion personally. but im adult enough to realize that some people feel differently than me. why should i tell them what not to do?

For the same reason we ban anything, because sometimes what you're doing is simply wrong.  Why should anyone be allowed to stop me from eating my neighbor and wearing his face as a hat?  Because its wrong, and someone need to tell me so.

[danwxman]

Might as well abolish Congress if you're going to give the courts that kind of power.

Uhh, the courts have always had the power (at least since Marshall set the precedent) to override congress....and they should.

They're supposed to make objective decisions. If the Supreme Court is going to strike down anything it believes to be a violation of liberty, then they are a full law making body.

They aren't supposed to make objective decisions? Huh? The supreme court, generally, reflects the will of the people. If you take away the right of judicial review, you put this country on the fast track towards tyranny.

[ATFFL]

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Thanks.

By your interpretation, this allows anything that you think should be allowed simply because it isn't specifically prohibited.

Or, let me translate it into something you might understand - because of the Ninth, I have the right to not pay my taxes.

Not saying it is right, just saying the source of the Constitutional justification.

And, by this amendment, you cannot ignore your taxes because the Constitution specifically gives the federal government the right to tax you.

[phk]

Roe vs Wade was one of the best things the Supreme Court has ever done. Only wish they would have done it earlier.

[Peter]

Here is a link to the Constitution of the United States. Please show me in that document where it says that abortion is a woman's right.

Thanks.

I've got some arguments that require me to stretch the Constitution that I can use to justify this decision, I don't really believe any of them are correct however.

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My main beef with Roe v. Wade is that I believe it's a state issue to ban or allow abortion. I don' think that the feds should be involved.

I would support banning it in my own state, but if any other state wants to allow it thats their right.

 state's rights. If it doesn't apply to California, it shouldn't apply to any other state.

[A18]

They're supposed to make objective decisions.

They aren't supposed to make objective decisions?

You are an idiot.

[Brandon H]

Roe vs Wade was one of the best things the Supreme Court has ever done. Only wish they would have done it earlier.

Yeah, it's right up there with the Dred Scot decision since it is up to the Surpeme Court to decide who counts as a person.

[Redefeatbush04]

"The map above has 18 states blacked out. The population of these states is equal to the 45,000,000+ reported "legal" surgical abortions since 1973. Perhaps this visual perspective helps one to grasp the number of people that are gone, dead-robbed of their God given, constitutional rights to life and liberty. How does the “most religious” nation on the planet allow such unspeakable horror?"

[Jake]

And liberals love to cry about the 50K Iraqis that have died in the Iraq War, but they forget that the population of Iraq twice over has died from abortion.

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Abortions are up under the Bush adminstration, in case anyone cares.

[A18]

No one does.

[Brandon H]

No one care since it's not true.

http://www.nrlc.org/rko/index.html

[Jake]

I don't want this to be a debate over the abortion proceedure itself, rather Roe v. Wade.

Do you use procedure in the sense of the Joseph Mengele Jr's pulling the arms off the children?

[opebo]

Abortions are up under the Bush adminstration, in case anyone cares.

Probably due to the increase in poverty and unemployment, as well as the continuing fall of real wages for most workers.  Can't have the kid if you can't afford it!

[TeePee4Prez]

Abortions are up under the Bush adminstration, in case anyone cares.

Probably due to the increase in poverty and unemployment, as well as the continuing fall of real wages for most workers.  Can't have the kid if you can't afford it!

Amen!

[Keystone Phil]

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Well let me simple for you then: DON'T GET PREGNANT!

[dazzleman]

Roe vs Wade was one of the best things the Supreme Court has ever done. Only wish they would have done it earlier.

Yeah, it's right up there with the Dred Scot decision since it is up to the Surpeme Court to decide who counts as a person.

I agree that Roe v. Wade is the Dred Scott decision of our time.

Abortion is a difficult issue, and there are no easy answers.  I think it should be up to the political process in each state to determine the availability of abortion.  The Roe v. Wade decision was based, in my opinion, on unjustifiable constitutional grounds.  It is a prime example of judicial activism subverting the correct functioning of the constitution.

[DanielX]

Abortions are killing Democrats. literally. Why? members of the Religious Right generally don't abort their children as often as other groups. The result? Since, teenage rebellion aside, the majority of children follow their parents footsteps, there are more Republicans then there used to be. Of course, folks who got abortions pre-1973 were even less likely to vote in line with the Religious Right as folks post-1973.

[dazzleman]

Abortions are killing Democrats. literally. Why? members of the Religious Right generally don't abort their children as often as other groups. The result? Since, teenage rebellion aside, the majority of children follow their parents footsteps, there are more Republicans then there used to be. Of course, folks who got abortions pre-1973 were even less likely to vote in line with the Religious Right as folks post-1973.

I read a study that said this, and it makes a certain amount of sense.  It would be ironic if the thing for which feminists fight most ardently is the thing that makes them a permanent minority.

I also read studies that credit legalized abortion since 1973 with the lower crime rates we enjoy today as compared to 10-20 years ago.  This theory states that many who would have grown up to be criminals in earlier generations, due to being born into poor circumstances and having a poor upbringing, are now being aborted, and that society is the beneficiary of this.  I hate to admit this makes some sense, as I am philosophically opposed to abortion.  But as I said, it is an exceedingly difficult issue.

[John Dibble]

Abortions are killing Democrats. literally. Why? members of the Religious Right generally don't abort their children as often as other groups. The result? Since, teenage rebellion aside, the majority of children follow their parents footsteps, there are more Republicans then there used to be. Of course, folks who got abortions pre-1973 were even less likely to vote in line with the Religious Right as folks post-1973.

I read a study that said this, and it makes a certain amount of sense.  It would be ironic if the thing for which feminists fight most ardently is the thing that makes them a permanent minority.

Well, I'd have to see proof of this - I mean, yes, a Dem is probably more likely to have an abortion, but on the other hand that doesn't mean they won't have babies in the future. A pro-life family may have two pregnancies and let both carry out to term, whereas a pro-choice family may have four but will abort the first two - the result is the same number of children from both families. And the pro-choice family, if they didn't abort, may have later used birth control and had less pregnancies total. There's really too many factors to make just a speculation - back it up with stats.

Also, I've known women who've had abortions(usually due to teenage pregnancy in this case) who later became pro-life Republicans(some, as their families were), so it's not so clear as to one side getting killed off by abortion. There are many who have abortions who later become Republican supporters. So, many potential future Republicans have died from abotion as well.

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I have an alternate theory on this(I don't preach this as truth, just an idea that I thought might make some sense), which may at least partially explain the drop in violent crime - the availability of porn(free or not) on the internet lowers crime. The crime rate started dropping in the early 90's, just as computers and the internet were taking off, and the drop gets bigger as time goes on(correlating with advances in computer and internet technology). Along with the internet came porn. It's pretty much a fact that sexually frustrated people are more likely to be prone to violent acts, so the availability of release for sexual frustration on a mass scale may have had an effect on the violent crime rate. Anywho, just a little theory, I don't have any evidence to back it.