SENATE BILL: Pacific Deconstruction Resolution (Passed)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Sponsor: TyriontheImperialist

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[President Tyrion]

Oops, I totally intended to go back and edit this. The constitution requires the consent of the regions and Senate for regional borders to be changed, which is why we're discussing this.

At first, my thought was to just take all the continental states and give them to the Midwest, while leaving Alaska, Hawaii, and Oceania to comprise the new Pacific, which can later dissolve (or remain a personal fiefdom without Senatorial representation) without really affecting the game dynamic.

However, just leaving those non-continental territories off seems like it would be a pretty aesthetically unpleasing move, so I'm going to make an amendment.

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The Pacific and Midwest are the two regions most in support of consolidation in the first place, so I figure this is worthy of discussion.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

How would the Senate balance be preserved? Either we go down to eight total members, up to sixteen total members or revive the Duke Plan's bicameralism.

[tmthforu94]

As a proud Midwesterner, I can't support this invasion of our region. I would support just giving us New Mexico, though.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

We could discuss this, but at this point, seeing as how difficult passing any sort of consolidation has proven to be, I am more favorable to giving the Pacific a chance to succeed after passing their stimulus bill before talking of consolidation again.

If we did go this route, we may want to look at changing the game's structure again. We would have to reduce the senate and maybe explore some of the proposals I made in the October election once again.

[PJ]

As a proud Midwesterner, I can't support this invasion of our region. I would support just giving us New Mexico, though.

Yeah, because taking away land from the smallest region is totally the answer to activity issues.

[Talleyrand]

Would this precipitate a situation where we'd have two regions, two Senators, and 1 regional government?

[President Tyrion]

Would this precipitate a situation where we'd have two regions, two Senators, and 1 regional government?

It's possible, but we'd need to pass an amendment allowing that to be the case.

[Fritz]

Would this precipitate a situation where we'd have two regions, two Senators, and 1 regional government?

It's possible, but we'd need to pass an amendment allowing that to be the case.

I don't think it would.  In fact, I don't think the senate even needs to be involved for this scenario.  The 2 regions would agree to combine their regional governments, and remain separate for senate representation.  Simple. 

I would be in favor of such a plan (in fact I proposed it once, a few years back.)

[PJ]

Would this precipitate a situation where we'd have two regions, two Senators, and 1 regional government?

It's possible, but we'd need to pass an amendment allowing that to be the case.

I don't think it would.  In fact, I don't think the senate even needs to be involved for this scenario.  The 2 regions would agree to combine their regional governments, and remain separate for senate representation.  Simple. 

I would be in favor of such a plan (in fact I proposed it once, a few years back.)

Would you care to elaborate on how exactly this combination would work?

[Fritz]

I don't know what needs elaborating- do you have a specific question?

[PJ]

I don't know what needs elaborating- do you have a specific question?

Never mind, I just got it. Would the RG still treat the regions as separate?

[Fritz]

I don't know what needs elaborating- do you have a specific question?

Never mind, I just got it. Would the RG still treat the regions as separate?

Yes.

[PJ]

I don't know what needs elaborating- do you have a specific question?

Never mind, I just got it. Would the RG still treat the regions as separate?

Yes.

Okay, I think this is something I could support.

[President Tyrion]

Well, regions are established for both governmental and electoral purposes. I don't know that I agree with Fritz's interpretation, but allow me a moment to collect my thoughts on the matter.

[Fritz]

Taking a quick look at the Constitution:

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So I was wrong- the senate must consent to this first.

[President Tyrion]

Well, any such plan, as Fritz pointed out, requires Senatorial consent, so I suggest we give it, on the condition that the regions actually want it

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

How tdoes the check need to change, if any, to supply the appopriate "consent"?

[President Tyrion]

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Does this work?

[Talleyrand]

That seems to work, and it meets the constitutional requirement that regions have to provide consent for their boundaries to be "altered", even if this is not exactly what is happening in that case. A "two region, 1 government" solution seems fine to me.

[President Tyrion]

That seems to work, and it meets the constitutional requirement that regions have to provide consent for their boundaries to be "altered", even if this is not exactly what is happening in that case. A "two region, 1 government" solution seems fine to me.

Yeah, regardless, the regions must provide consent.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[GAworth]

Is there a way to include language about it must be approved by a referendum of the two regions, if a majority of citizens in one region object, then the union will not go through.

[President Tyrion]

Is there a way to include language about it must be approved by a referendum of the two regions, if a majority of citizens in one region object, then the union will not go through.

Presumably, the regions can approve it however they want. The Senate I think should not interfere because this is a process explicitly left to the regions once we give consent.