Life-and-death issues

[angus]

RU486 okay with me too.

I don't have a daughter, but I have a son.  Some doctor so much as tries to squeeze the pus out of a zit on his ass without having a conversation with me first will have my foot in his.  That parental notification law seems like it would have universal support.  I'm not sure why it doesn't.  I don't tell any woman or man how to raise their kids, they don't tell me how to raise mine.  I know that if I had a minor child that needed an abortion, I goddamned sure wouldn't want some third world-educated state-appointed hack performing the procedure.  She comes to me.  We find a nice clinic with harvard-educated doctors.  I'm really surprised that one has any support at all.  If you're against abortion, you don't want some hack sticking a vaccuum cleaner up your daughter's hole without you knowing.  If you're for abortion, you don't want some hack sticking a vacuum cleaner up there without you knowing about it.  Either way, I don't know whether it takes a village to raise a kid, but if the village idiot comes to cut up my kid without my permission, the village idiot meets my foot.

Zachman,
What kind of autocratic government do you want?  One that performs surgery on your children without you knowing?  Come talk to me again after you grow up, punk.

[Gabu]

To all of you anti-death penalty pro-abortionists,  You support killing innocent children, but not the worst of our society? Pretty sick I must say.

Very simply, life begins at birth. Most abortions are in the first trimester, and these "partial-birth abortions" are quite rare and are usually to save the life of the woman, or something.

Er, if you look at the progression of the baby in the womb, I think it's quite clear-cut that life begins somewhere in the middle.  After seven months, the fetus is breathing, has a heartbeat, and has detectable brain patterns... sounds pretty alive to me.

[angus]

The more I think about it, the more I think we have the voting age and the drinking age totally backward.  In fact, I would mind seeing no minimum drinking age.  My dad used to give me brandy when I was a child, and I turned out fine.  Well, except for a few substance-abuse problems, I turned out fine.  But the voting age really ought to be much higher.  Anyone who supports this law that says that physicians can perform any surgery, nose-job, abortion, whatever, on a child, really hasn't given the issue much thought, imho.

Show me I'm wrong, or somehow screwed up in the head.  or had too much brandy as a child.  Seriously, this is the most assinine piece of legislation I've heard yet.  And I've heard of the PATRIOT ACT and the mccain-feingold campaign finance bills, so that's saying quite a bit. 

Who among you wants physicians operating on your children willy-nilly and without your written permission?

[Ebowed]

To all of you anti-death penalty pro-abortionists,  You support killing innocent children, but not the worst of our society? Pretty sick I must say.

Very simply, life begins at birth. Most abortions are in the first trimester, and these "partial-birth abortions" are quite rare and are usually to save the life of the woman, or something.

The "health of the mother," according to the Supreme Court, includes 'emotional anguish related to having a child out of wedlock.'

Life does not begin at birth.  Explain why it's illegal to kill a baby born prematurely at 26 weeks, but it's okay to cut up a fetus that's 38 weeks old.

[ian]

Euthanasia: no
Human cloning: undecided
Death penalty for juveniles: no
Death penalty for retarded: no
Death penalty for others: no
Partial-birth abortion: no
Parental consent for abortion: yes
Parental notification for abortion: yes
Abortion for rape and incest: no
Embryo abortion: no
Fetus abortion: no
Infanticide: no
"Morning after" pill: no
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan: no
Withdraw troops from Iraq: yes
Lynching: no
House bombing: no

[Jake]

Euthanasia: no
Human cloning: undecided
Death penalty for juveniles: no
Death penalty for retarded: no
Death penalty for others: no
Partial-birth abortion: no
Parental consent for abortion: yes
Parental notification for abortion: yes
Abortion for rape and incest: no
Embryo abortion: no
Fetus abortion: no
Infanticide: no
"Morning after" pill: no
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan: no
Withdraw troops from Iraq: yes
Lynching: no
House bombing: no

Now this here is a Democrat that I could vote for.  Take note everyone.  This type of Democrat is a good Democrat.

[Gabu]

Euthanasia: no
Human cloning: undecided
Death penalty for juveniles: no
Death penalty for retarded: no
Death penalty for others: no
Partial-birth abortion: no
Parental consent for abortion: yes
Parental notification for abortion: yes
Abortion for rape and incest: no
Embryo abortion: no
Fetus abortion: no
Infanticide: no
"Morning after" pill: no
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan: no
Withdraw troops from Iraq: yes
Lynching: no
House bombing: no

Now this here is a Democrat that I could vote for.  Take note everyone.  This type of Democrat is a good Democrat.

If I wanted to get your vote, I wouldn't be a Democrat.

[Jake]

Euthanasia: no
Human cloning: undecided
Death penalty for juveniles: no
Death penalty for retarded: no
Death penalty for others: no
Partial-birth abortion: no
Parental consent for abortion: yes
Parental notification for abortion: yes
Abortion for rape and incest: no
Embryo abortion: no
Fetus abortion: no
Infanticide: no
"Morning after" pill: no
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan: no
Withdraw troops from Iraq: yes
Lynching: no
House bombing: no

Now this here is a Democrat that I could vote for.  Take note everyone.  This type of Democrat is a good Democrat.

If I wanted to get your vote, I wouldn't be a Democrat.

Haha, but I could vote for you to Gabu, it's just that this is the kind of Democrat that I like.

[Citizen James]

Euthanasia: With strict regulation/oversight.
Human cloning: Not at this time (artificial), no problem(natural).
Death penalty for juveniles: No.
Death penalty for retarded: No.
Death penalty for others: In limited circumstances (with review to insure the burden of proof has indeed been met/for first degree murder with special circumstances)
Partial-birth abortion: In limited circumstances (safety of the mother and/or little to no chance of long term survival)
Parental consent for abortion: Unsure.  At least needs an alternative such as judical approval in some cases - such as incest or where there is a risk of abuse.
Parental notification for abortion: Same as above
Abortion for rape and incest: Yes
Embryo abortion: (assuming first trimester) Yes
Fetus abortion: Under some circumstances (such as serious risk to the mother/severe disabilities/other serious reasons)
Infanticide:  No, except as an byproduct of acts of war deemed nessisary.
"Morning after" pill: Yes
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan: No
Withdraw troops from Iraq: Not at this time, though a re-evaluation of methodology would be good. (Perhaps listening to the advice of generals on the scene, rather than the neo-con idologues back home)
Lynching: No.
House bombing: No, except under extreme circumstances/nessisary acts of war.  (If bin laden is verified present in a house - raze it.)

[TomC]

Euthanasia: yes
Human cloning:yes, for medical purposes
Death penalty for juveniles:no
Death penalty for retarded:no
Death penalty for others:yes
Partial-birth abortion:no
Parental consent for abortion:yes
Parental notification for abortion:yes
Abortion for rape and incest:yes
Embryo abortion:yes
Fetus abortion:no
Infanticide:no
"Morning after" pill:yes
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan:eventually, but no short term
Withdraw troops from Iraq:eventually, but no short term
Lynching:no
House bombing: As in, the House of Reps? Y..(JUST KIDDING MR DELAY!!); no

[George W. Bush]

Euthanasia: Yes
Human cloning: No
Death penalty for juveniles: Yes
Death penalty for retarded: No
Death penalty for others: Yes
Partial-birth abortion: No
Parental consent for abortion: Yes
Parental notification for abortion: Yes
Abortion for rape and incest: Yes
Embryo abortion: No
Fetus abortion: No
Infanticide: No
"Morning after" pill: no
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan: No
Withdraw troops from Iraq: Soon
Lynching: No
House bombing: No

[Ebowed]

Euthanasia: no
Human cloning: undecided
Death penalty for juveniles: no
Death penalty for retarded: no
Death penalty for others: no
Partial-birth abortion: no
Parental consent for abortion: yes
Parental notification for abortion: yes
Abortion for rape and incest: no
Embryo abortion: no
Fetus abortion: no
Infanticide: no
"Morning after" pill: no
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan: no
Withdraw troops from Iraq: yes
Lynching: no
House bombing: no

Now this here is a Democrat that I could vote for.  Take note everyone.  This type of Democrat is a good Democrat.

In general, you won't meet too many Southern Democrats who support abortion, unless you count John Edwards, or Al Gore (who flip-flopped).  The tolerance of the Democratic Party in the South should be a model for the nation, and then we can have pro-life Democrats in national office.

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

Euthanasia: no
Human cloning: undecided
Death penalty for juveniles: no
Death penalty for retarded: no
Death penalty for others: no
Partial-birth abortion: no
Parental consent for abortion: yes
Parental notification for abortion: yes
Abortion for rape and incest: no
Embryo abortion: no
Fetus abortion: no
Infanticide: no
"Morning after" pill: no
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan: no
Withdraw troops from Iraq: yes
Lynching: no
House bombing: no

Now this here is a Democrat that I could vote for.  Take note everyone.  This type of Democrat is a good Democrat.

If I wanted to get your vote, I wouldn't be a Democrat.

Haha, but I could vote for you to Gabu, it's just that this is the kind of Democrat that I like.

under what conditions could you vote for me?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Euthanasia: no
Human cloning: undecided
Death penalty for juveniles: no
Death penalty for retarded: no
Death penalty for others: no
Partial-birth abortion: no
Parental consent for abortion: yes
Parental notification for abortion: yes
Abortion for rape and incest: no
Embryo abortion: no
Fetus abortion: no
Infanticide: no
"Morning after" pill: no
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan: no
Withdraw troops from Iraq: yes
Lynching: no
House bombing: no

Now this here is a Democrat that I could vote for.  Take note everyone.  This type of Democrat is a good Democrat.

In general, you won't meet too many Southern Democrats who support abortion, unless you count John Edwards, or Al Gore (who flip-flopped).  The tolerance of the Democratic Party in the South should be a model for the nation, and then we can have pro-life Democrats in national office.

How many Democrats are in the Senate in the south? Being wishy washy doesn't win elections.

[Alcon]

Euthanasia: no
Human cloning: undecided
Death penalty for juveniles: no
Death penalty for retarded: no
Death penalty for others: no
Partial-birth abortion: no
Parental consent for abortion: yes
Parental notification for abortion: yes
Abortion for rape and incest: no
Embryo abortion: no
Fetus abortion: no
Infanticide: no
"Morning after" pill: no
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan: no
Withdraw troops from Iraq: yes
Lynching: no
House bombing: no

Now this here is a Democrat that I could vote for.  Take note everyone.  This type of Democrat is a good Democrat.

In general, you won't meet too many Southern Democrats who support abortion, unless you count John Edwards, or Al Gore (who flip-flopped).  The tolerance of the Democratic Party in the South should be a model for the nation, and then we can have pro-life Democrats in national office.

How many Democrats are in the Senate in the south? Being wishy washy doesn't win elections.

Being a pro-life Democrat isn't "wishy-washy." If they hold an opinion and are strong about it, they are the exact opposite.

[Ebowed]

Euthanasia: no
Human cloning: undecided
Death penalty for juveniles: no
Death penalty for retarded: no
Death penalty for others: no
Partial-birth abortion: no
Parental consent for abortion: yes
Parental notification for abortion: yes
Abortion for rape and incest: no
Embryo abortion: no
Fetus abortion: no
Infanticide: no
"Morning after" pill: no
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan: no
Withdraw troops from Iraq: yes
Lynching: no
House bombing: no

Now this here is a Democrat that I could vote for.  Take note everyone.  This type of Democrat is a good Democrat.

In general, you won't meet too many Southern Democrats who support abortion, unless you count John Edwards, or Al Gore (who flip-flopped).  The tolerance of the Democratic Party in the South should be a model for the nation, and then we can have pro-life Democrats in national office.

How many Democrats are in the Senate in the south? Being wishy washy doesn't win elections.

I'm not sure I get what you're saying.  How is being an anti-abortion Democrat from the South being wishy washy?

[??????????]

I cant believe anyone would approve of Euthanasia. Hitler allowed Euthanasia in Germany early on because of a case of a mentally disabled child. It inspired him for his more evil deeds later on.

[Ebowed]

I cant believe anyone would approve of Euthanasia.

I agree; if people think it's ok to put down a sick person or a handicapped child we're treating ourselves like dogs.

[Moooooo]

If someone is terminally ill, in excruciating pain, and wants to be euthanized.  Who am I to tell them no?

[??????????]

If someone is terminally ill, in excruciating pain, and wants to be euthanized.  Who am I to tell them no?

Hitler would have agreed with you on that.

[Moooooo]

Hitler would have agreed with you on that.

I assume most people would. 

[Rob]

If someone is terminally ill, in excruciating pain, and wants to be euthanized.  Who am I to tell them no?

Exactly.

[Gabu]

I cant believe anyone would approve of Euthanasia.

I agree; if people think it's ok to put down a sick person or a handicapped child we're treating ourselves like dogs.

What kind of euthanasia are we talking about?  If it's involuntary euthanasia, I can see being against that (I am), but if the person wants to die and is able to clearly express that desire, why should the government tell them no?  If the government tells them no, it's effectively telling them that they don't own their own life, which I personally find to be a disturbing idea.

[Ebowed]

If someone is terminally ill, in excruciating pain, and wants to be euthanized.  Who am I to tell them no?

If the government endorses suicide it may as well endorse all forms of murder (it's already done so with abortion).  If someone's in excruciating pain, then we should try to find a cure, not kill them.  Think of all the untreated diseases / medical problems that could never have cures found thanks to euthanasia.

[Gabu]

If someone is terminally ill, in excruciating pain, and wants to be euthanized.  Who am I to tell them no?

If the government endorses suicide it may as well endorse all forms of murder (it's already done so with abortion).  If someone's in excruciating pain, then we should try to find a cure, not kill them.  Think of all the untreated diseases / medical problems that could never have cures found thanks to euthanasia.

If a person wants to commit suicide, what place is it of the government to tell them that they can't?  Should the government be able to tell people what they can and can't do with their life in other areas, such as what career they want to have?

It's not an endorsement of suicide any more than the legalization of abortion is an endorsement of abortion.  I'm not saying that you should immediately hop to it the moment a person wants to die and kill the person, but if the person is honestly not convinceable in the matter, I really don't see why the government should be able to have the final say in what happens to a person's own life.