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Jake
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« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2005, 02:26:00 PM »
Quote from: nclib on March 13, 2005, 02:13:30 PM
Quote from: Jake on March 13, 2005, 02:03:52 PM
To all of you anti-death penalty pro-abortionists,  You support killing innocent children, but not the worst of our society? Pretty sick I must say.

With regards to abortion, government is allowing what some see as killing. With capital punishment, government is performing the killing.

It is killing, regardless of whether you think it is right or not.
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« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2005, 03:20:28 PM »

Euthanasia:  In extreme cases.
Human cloning: Yes
Death penalty for juveniles: No
Death penalty for retarded: No
Death penalty for others: No
Partial-birth abortion: Life and health of mother only
Parental consent for abortion: No
Parental notification for abortion: No
Abortion for rape and incest: Yes
Embryo abortion: Yes
Fetus abortion: Yes
Infanticide: No
"Morning after" pill: Yes
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan: No
Withdraw troops from Iraq: Yes
Lynching: No
House bombing: No
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« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2005, 03:27:57 PM »
Euthanasia:Yes
Human cloning:Yes
Death penalty for juveniles:No
Death penalty for retarded:No
Death penalty for others:No
Partial-birth abortion:
Parental consent for abortion:No
Parental notification for abortion:No
Abortion for rape and incest:Yes
Embryo abortion:Yes
Fetus abortion:Yes
Infanticide:No
"Morning after" pill:Yes
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan:No
Withdraw troops from Iraq:Yes
Lynching:No
House bombing:No
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« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2005, 03:37:26 PM »
Euthanasia: If directly requested, yes; otherwise, no
Human cloning: Undecided
Death penalty for juveniles: No
Death penalty for retarded: No
Death penalty for others: Undecided, leaning no
Partial-birth abortion: No
Parental consent for abortion: No
Parental notification for abortion: No
Abortion for rape and incest: Yes
Embryo abortion: Yes
Fetus abortion: No
Infanticide: Uh, no
"Morning after" pill: Yes
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan: No
Withdraw troops from Iraq: No
Lynching: No
House bombing: No

Quote from: Jake on March 13, 2005, 02:03:52 PM
To all of you anti-death penalty pro-abortionists, You support killing innocent children, but not the worst of our society? Pretty sick I must say.

People who call others "pro-abortion" is a giant misrepresentation of most people's position.  Abortion, in my view, is a very traumatizing procedure to go through that should be the ultimate last resort - but I still feel that it should be a resort.  Up until the organism becomes a fetus, it's very debatable (if you don't resort to quoting Bible verses) whether or not it's a human life as we know it.  Before two months after conception, it has no brain.  Before two and a half to three weeks after conception, it doesn't even have a heartbeat.

The argument is not, "Is it okay to kill a human life?"; it's, "Is it a human life at this stage?"  Any attempt to peg people opposed to the illegalization of abortion as being in favor of the killing of babies is nothing more than an attempt to ignore the very real actual debate on this issue.
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« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2005, 03:56:18 PM »
Euthanasia: Legal
Human cloning: Illegal
Death penalty: Replace with hard labor
Partial-birth abortion: Illegal
Parental consent for abortion: Yes
Parental notification for abortion: Yes
Abortion for rape and incest: Illegal
Embryo abortion: Illegal
Fetus abortion: Illegal
Infanticide: Um, I'm not migrendel
"Morning after" pill: Legal
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan: No
Withdraw troops from Iraq: No
Lynching: WTF?
House bombing: Bombing your own house should be legal...I guess...
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« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2005, 04:21:32 PM »
Euthanasia: Legal
Human cloning: Allow limited research
Death penalty: Legal
Partial-birth abortion: Legal
Parental consent for abortion: No
Parental notification for abortion: No
Abortion for rape and incest: Legal
Embryo abortion: Legal
Fetus abortion: Legal
Infanticide: Illegal
"Morning after" pill: Legal
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan: No
Withdraw troops from Iraq: No
Lynching: Illegal
House bombing: Illegal
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« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2005, 05:22:32 PM »
 Euthanasia: no
Human cloning: no
Death penalty for juveniles: no
Death penalty for retarded: no
Death penalty for others: no
Partial-birth abortion: nol
Parental consent for abortion: no
Parental notification for abortion:no
Abortion for rape and incest: yes
Embryo abortion:yes
Fetus abortion: No
Infanticide: No
"Morning after" pill: Yes
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan: No
Withdraw troops from Iraq: No
Lynching: No
House bombing: No
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« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2005, 05:24:40 PM »
Quote from: Nation of Ulysses on March 13, 2005, 02:18:51 PM
so, WWII doesn't count to AuH2O? Incidentally, that's really the only war in our nation's history that I would consider absolutely morally justifiable.


Not even close to being justifiable. By far the most inhumane war the US conducted.
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« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2005, 05:27:40 PM »
Euthanasia: No
Human cloning: No
Death penalty for juveniles: Yes
Death penalty for retarded: No
Death penalty for others: Yes
Partial-birth abortion: No
Parental consent for abortion: Necessary for a minor
Parental notification for abortion: Necessary for a minor
Abortion for rape and incest: Undecided
Embryo abortion: No
Fetus abortion: No
Infanticide: No
"Morning after" pill: Yes
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan: No
Withdraw troops from Iraq: No
Lynching: No
House bombing: No
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« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2005, 05:54:43 PM »
Quote from: AuH2O on March 13, 2005, 05:24:40 PM
Quote from: Nation of Ulysses on March 13, 2005, 02:18:51 PM
so, WWII doesn't count to AuH2O? Incidentally, that's really the only war in our nation's history that I would consider absolutely morally justifiable.


Not even close to being justifiable. By far the most inhumane war the US conducted.

Well let's see, first we were attacked by an imperial power, and then after declaring war on them we had war declared on us by imperial powers in Europe than were trying to kill off a large portion of the population, what's inhumane about that?
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« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2005, 05:56:27 PM »
Euthanasia - YES
Human cloning - YES
Death penalty for juveniles - NO
Death penalty for retarded - NO
Death penalty for others - NO
Partial-birth abortion - YES
Parental consent for abortion - NO
Parental notification for abortion - NO
Abortion for rape and incest - YES
Embryo abortion - YES
Fetus abortion - YES
Infanticide - NO
"Morning after" pill - YES
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan - NO
Withdraw troops from Iraq - YES
Lynching - NO
House bombing - NO
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« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2005, 05:58:18 PM »
Quote from: Retired Al on March 13, 2005, 03:33:30 AM
Withdraw troops from Iraq: No (if they pull out more people will die than if they stay)

Too late, we already killed 100,000 Iraqis.
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« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2005, 05:59:26 PM »
Quote from: jfern on March 13, 2005, 05:58:18 PM
Quote from: Retired Al on March 13, 2005, 03:33:30 AM
Withdraw troops from Iraq: No (if they pull out more people will die than if they stay)

Too late, we already killed 100,000 Iraqis.

LOL, more like 20,000 on the extreme top level estimate. 
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« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2005, 06:02:54 PM »
« Edited: March 13, 2005, 06:04:43 PM by jfern »
Quote from: Jake on March 13, 2005, 05:59:26 PM
Quote from: jfern on March 13, 2005, 05:58:18 PM
Quote from: Retired Al on March 13, 2005, 03:33:30 AM
Withdraw troops from Iraq: No (if they pull out more people will die than if they stay)

Too late, we already killed 100,000 Iraqis.

LOL, more like 20,000 on the extreme top level estimate. 
Here's the 100,000 figure.

If you don't like high estimate, then go with a low estimate on how many people Saddam killed. Either way, we're killing the Iraqis faster.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6354133
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« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2005, 06:07:09 PM »
Quote from: Jake on March 13, 2005, 02:03:52 PM
To all of you anti-death penalty pro-abortionists,  You support killing innocent children, but not the worst of our society? Pretty sick I must say.

Very simply, life begins at birth. Most abortions are in the first trimester, and these "partial-birth abortions" are quite rare and are usually to save the life of the woman, or something.
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« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2005, 06:11:08 PM »
Quote from: jfern on March 13, 2005, 06:07:09 PM
Quote from: Jake on March 13, 2005, 02:03:52 PM
To all of you anti-death penalty pro-abortionists, You support killing innocent children, but not the worst of our society? Pretty sick I must say.

Very simply, life begins at birth. Most abortions are in the first trimester, and these "partial-birth abortions" are quite rare and are usually to save the life of the woman, or something.

A woman deserves to die if she would comtemplate killing her child but, to your "survey"...

Quote from: jfern on March 13, 2005, 06:02:54 PM
Here's the 100,000 figure.

If you don't like high estimate, then go with a low estimate on how many people Saddam killed. Either way, we're killing the Iraqis faster.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6354133

The government says 10-30K, some magazine says 100K, no one knows, but it most likely falls between 10K-70K.  Either way, we've alot less Iraqis have died while we've been there, then when Saddam was in power and in the long run, the discrepency will widen.
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« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2005, 06:33:18 PM »
Quote from: Jake on March 13, 2005, 06:11:08 PM

The government says 10-30K, some magazine says 100K, no one knows, but it most likely falls between 10K-70K.  Either way, we've alot less Iraqis have died while we've been there, then when Saddam was in power and in the long run, the discrepency will widen.

We've been there 2 years compared to Saddam's 24. We've definitely killed at least 1/12th as many people.
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« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2005, 06:38:21 PM »
Quote from: jfern on March 13, 2005, 06:33:18 PM
Quote from: Jake on March 13, 2005, 06:11:08 PM

The government says 10-30K, some magazine says 100K, no one knows, but it most likely falls between 10K-70K.  Either way, we've alot less Iraqis have died while we've been there, then when Saddam was in power and in the long run, the discrepency will widen.

We've been there 2 years compared to Saddam's 24. We've definitely killed at least 1/12th as many people.

Estimates I've seen point to as many as 1.5 to 2 million people killed under Saddam.
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« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2005, 07:03:08 PM »

Euthanasia:  yes
Human cloning:  no
Death penalty for juveniles:  no
Death penalty for retarded:  no
Death penalty for others:  no
Partial-birth abortion:  yes
Parental consent for abortion:  yes
Parental notification for abortion:  yes
Abortion for rape and incest:  yes
Embryo abortion:  yes
Fetus abortion:  yes
Infanticide:  no***
"Morning after" pill:  yes
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan:  yes*
Withdraw troops from Iraq:  yes**
Lynching:  no***
House bombing:  no

*after the stated goal of capturing binLaden is met
**try to get a formal request from the Iraqi government first
***not sure I understand your definition, so I made up my own

how about felching?  Hey, if you're the rodent, it's life-or-death.
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« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2005, 07:20:55 PM »
Euthanasia: Yes
Human Cloning: Restricted (so long as property rights aren't sold)
Death penalty for juveniles: Don't rule it out
Death penalty for retarded: No
Death penalty for others: Don't rule it out
Partial-birth abortion: Don't rule it out
Parental consent for abortion: No
Parental notification for abortion: No
Abortion for rape and incest: Yes
Embryo abortion: Yes
Fetus abortion: Yes
Infanticide: Yes, with same criteria as euthanasia
"Morning after" pill: Yes
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan: Not nearly yet
Withdraw troops from Iraq: yes
Lynching: No
House Bombing: No
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« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2005, 07:23:05 PM »
Euthanasia:Yes
Human cloning:Yss
Death penalty for juveniles:No
Death penalty for retarded:No
Death penalty for others:No
Partial-birth abortion:No
Parental consent for abortion: should be gotten
Parental notification for abortion: should be notified
Abortion for rape and incest:Yes
Embryo abortion:Yes
Fetus abortion:Yes
Infanticide:No
"Morning after" pill:Yes
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan:No
Withdraw troops from Iraq:No
Lynching:No
House bombing:No
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« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2005, 07:29:58 PM »
Quote from: Ebowed on March 13, 2005, 02:08:32 AM
"Yes" or "No" to each of the following practices staying legal / being legalized, etc.:

Euthanasia: No
Human cloning: No
Death penalty for juveniles: Yes
Death penalty for retarded: No
Death penalty for others: Yes
Partial-birth abortion: No
Parental consent for abortion: Yes
Parental notification for abortion: Yes
Abortion for rape and incest: No
Embryo abortion: No
Fetus abortion: No
Infanticide: No
"Morning after" pill: No
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan: No
Withdraw troops from Iraq: No
Lynching: No
House bombing: No
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« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2005, 07:38:58 PM »
« Edited: March 13, 2005, 07:42:24 PM by Redefeatbush04 »
"Yes" or "No" to each of the following practices staying legal / being legalized, etc.:

Euthanasia: YES
Human cloning: NO
Death penalty for juveniles: NO
Death penalty for retarded: NO
Death penalty for others: NO
Partial-birth abortion: NO
Parental consent for abortion: UNDECIDED
Parental notification for abortion: YES
Abortion for rape and incest: NO
Embryo abortion: NO
Fetus abortion: NO
Infanticide: NO
"Morning after" pill: YES
Withdraw troops from Afghanistan: NO
Withdraw troops from Iraq: NOT YET
Lynching: NO
House bombing: NO
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« Reply #48 on: March 13, 2005, 07:39:45 PM »
Quote from: John Ford on March 13, 2005, 02:36:18 AM
I'm assuming by morning after pill, you mena the actual morning after pill and not Ru 486.
No, I meant Ru 486 and that's why I said "no" to it.  Too late to correct that now for all the people who responded.
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« Reply #49 on: March 13, 2005, 07:40:34 PM »
Euthanasia: No

Human cloning: No

Death penalty for juveniles: No

Death penalty for retarded: No

Death penalty for others: No

Partial-birth abortion: No

Parental consent for abortion: No (what if it's the father that impregnanted the daughter?)

Parental notification for abortion: No (for same reason as above)

Abortion for rape and incest: Yes

Embryo abortion: Yes

Fetus abortion: No

Infanticide: No

"Morning after" pill: Yes

Withdraw troops from Afghanistan: No

Withdraw troops from Iraq: Undecided

Lynching: No

House bombing: No
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