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« Reply #50 on: November 08, 2013, 10:13:48 am »

I really don't understand why we would cooperate with our biggest rivals in this game. No matter what you think of PU, it most certainly isn't a threat (no offense). So why should we cooperate with Labor if they are the ones we are trying to beat? It doesn't make sense to me beyond just irrational hate of PU.
I'm certainly not offended. Griffin's supposed claim that we will destroy the game is simply Griffgraph for "The Progressive Union will destroy Labor." This is flattering, but I have no desire and PRO has no desire to destroy any party. It's also a little entertaining for Griffin to reach out to the Feds while insulting them in the same post.
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« Reply #51 on: November 08, 2013, 03:33:56 pm »
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As far as I'm concerned, Labor won the game

Pfft, you got to the level with the Democratic Alliance and threw your controller at the TV Wink
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« Reply #52 on: November 08, 2013, 03:43:45 pm »

As far as I'm concerned, Labor won the game

Pfft, you got to the level with the Democratic Alliance and through your controller at the TV Wink
^^^If any specific party "won" the game, it would be the JCP, who won almost every federal election for quite a while (me being the rare exception Wink). We literally did a reset on the parties primarily because of that dominance.
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« Reply #53 on: November 08, 2013, 03:56:16 pm »

As far as I'm concerned, Labor won the game

Pfft, you got to the level with the Democratic Alliance and threw your controller at the TV Wink

Yeah, this seems like one of those, **Player gets ahead monetarily in Monopoly**  "I'm tired, let's end the game.  How should we do this?   Hmmmm... how about whoever has the most cash wins?"
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« Reply #54 on: November 08, 2013, 03:57:23 pm »

As far as I'm concerned, Labor won the game

Pfft, you got to the level with the Democratic Alliance and through youp controller at the TV Wink
^^^If any specific party "won" the game, it would be the JCP, who won almost every federal election for quite a while (me being the rare exception Wink). We literally did a reset on the parties primarily because of that dominance.

Still, Labor and JCP had natural advantages. Labor has definitely underperformed given that, while JCP slightly overperformed. JCP managed to beat Duke while Griff's group got embarassed two years later. But lets be honest- neither of these parties have managed to pull off backs-against-the-wall victories the Liberal Party managed with my senate victory and then doubling up in April.
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« Reply #55 on: November 08, 2013, 04:06:30 pm »

Or who could forget the Democratic Alliance, who I believe one time had 18 members and 6 Senators. Wink And the Presidency of Afleitch Tongue
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« Reply #56 on: November 08, 2013, 04:08:08 pm »

As far as I'm concerned, Labor won the game

Pfft, you got to the level with the Democratic Alliance and through youp controller at the TV Wink
^^^If any specific party "won" the game, it would be the JCP, who won almost every federal election for quite a while (me being the rare exception Wink). We literally did a reset on the parties primarily because of that dominance.

Still, Labor and JCP had natural advantages. Labor has definitely underperformed given that, while JCP slightly overperformed. JCP managed to beat Duke while Griff's group got embarassed two years later. But lets be honest- neither of these parties have managed to pull off backs-against-the-wall victories the Liberal Party managed with my senate victory and then doubling up in April.

What a newb thing to say. Tongue

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/December_2010_Senate_Election

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/March_2011_Special_Senate_Election

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/April_2011_Senate_Election

The last two are especially beautiful. There have been some successful players since I retired (Napoleon and Adam), sure. But I have yet to see anyone come even close to manipulating at-large elections like I did. Smiley
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« Reply #57 on: November 08, 2013, 04:13:15 pm »

I do sympathize with Adam (and Napoleon before him). If you're winning the game you get blamed for everything, often unfairly so. But a big part of playing the game is taking down whichever party is currently on top, so if you're winning that means you're constantly on the defensive.

At some point I accepted that people want to reform things. They want to leave their mark on the game. Sure, we tried it before, it failed, and it will fail again, but they need to see that on their own. For example, somebody will win with "zombies," the losers throw a temper tantrum, create dumb voting restrictions, turnout falls, the restrictions are removed to increase activity, etc. And the cycle will repeat itself again and again.
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« Reply #58 on: November 08, 2013, 06:24:21 pm »

As far as I'm concerned, Labor won the game

Pfft, you got to the level with the Democratic Alliance and through youp controller at the TV Wink
^^^If any specific party "won" the game, it would be the JCP, who won almost every federal election for quite a while (me being the rare exception Wink). We literally did a reset on the parties primarily because of that dominance.

Still, Labor and JCP had natural advantages. Labor has definitely underperformed given that, while JCP slightly overperformed. JCP managed to beat Duke while Griff's group got embarassed two years later. But lets be honest- neither of these parties have managed to pull off backs-against-the-wall victories the Liberal Party managed with my senate victory and then doubling up in April.
Liberal party never had an ideology or even agenda. Labor needed one term from Nix to implement theirs, and even then some of us got bored half-way through it (cue NMAM).
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« Reply #59 on: November 08, 2013, 06:27:56 pm »

The liberal party did have an ideology, Seatown. You just don't want to acknowledge it.
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« Reply #60 on: November 08, 2013, 06:36:17 pm »

The liberal party did have an ideology, Seatown. You just don't want to acknowledge it.
Neo-liberalism claims to be post-ideoligcal, ce n'est pas terrible?
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« Reply #61 on: November 08, 2013, 06:59:32 pm »

The liberal party did have an ideology, Seatown. You just don't want to acknowledge it.
Neo-liberalism claims to be post-ideoligcal, ce n'est pas terrible?

Yeah, we weren't really neo-liberal. I don't think neo liberals agree with strengthening a single payer health care system. The liberal party did that. The liberal party believed in increasing the freedom of every single Atlasian while at the same time preventing overreach from labor stalwarts, such as yourself or TNF. That is the ideology I have represented in the Senate and I have continued to do it when I was a liberal and when I switched to the Federalists because they were the only sane major party left. If you feel I changed my ideology, please do provide examples. Or else shut the fuck up. Thanks!
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« Reply #62 on: November 08, 2013, 07:20:32 pm »

The liberal party did have an ideology, Seatown. You just don't want to acknowledge it.
Neo-liberalism claims to be post-ideoligcal, ce n'est pas terrible?

Yeah, we weren't really neo-liberal. I don't think neo liberals agree with strengthening a single payer health care system. The liberal party did that. The liberal party believed in increasing the freedom of every single Atlasian while at the same time preventing overreach from labor stalwarts, such as yourself or TNF. That is the ideology I have represented in the Senate and I have continued to do it when I was a liberal and when I switched to the Federalists because they were the only sane major party left. If you feel I changed my ideology, please do provide examples. Or else shut the fuck up. Thanks!
You & Napoleon sure like to use that word a lot. Where did I ever imply that you changed you ideology? The only thing that happened was wolf shedding the sheep's clothing.
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« Reply #63 on: November 08, 2013, 07:40:53 pm »

The liberal party did have an ideology, Seatown. You just don't want to acknowledge it.
Neo-liberalism claims to be post-ideoligcal, ce n'est pas terrible?

Yeah, we weren't really neo-liberal. I don't think neo liberals agree with strengthening a single payer health care system. The liberal party did that. The liberal party believed in increasing the freedom of every single Atlasian while at the same time preventing overreach from labor stalwarts, such as yourself or TNF. That is the ideology I have represented in the Senate and I have continued to do it when I was a liberal and when I switched to the Federalists because they were the only sane major party left. If you feel I changed my ideology, please do provide examples. Or else shut the fuck up. Thanks!
You & Napoleon sure like to use that word a lot. Where did I ever imply that you changed you ideology? The only thing that happened was wolf shedding the sheep's clothing.

Do you masturbate to my posting history? That's hot.
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« Reply #64 on: November 08, 2013, 07:43:42 pm »

The liberal party did have an ideology, Seatown. You just don't want to acknowledge it.
Neo-liberalism claims to be post-ideoligcal, ce n'est pas terrible?

Yeah, we weren't really neo-liberal. I don't think neo liberals agree with strengthening a single payer health care system. The liberal party did that. The liberal party believed in increasing the freedom of every single Atlasian while at the same time preventing overreach from labor stalwarts, such as yourself or TNF. That is the ideology I have represented in the Senate and I have continued to do it when I was a liberal and when I switched to the Federalists because they were the only sane major party left. If you feel I changed my ideology, please do provide examples. Or else shut the fuck up. Thanks!
You & Napoleon sure like to use that word a lot. Where did I ever imply that you changed you ideology? The only thing that happened was wolf shedding the sheep's clothing.

LOL WTF? We were always clear that we weren't a leftist party. We were liberals. Of course the word liberal means something different in America as opposed to Britain, but the only reason for that is due to the utter defeat of the Labor viewpoint in America. Thus in America, the paradigm is between the liberals and the conservatives. Things are different in Atlasia of course. And I have continued my viewpoints into my change of party. Or else I wouldn't support a 60% top tax rate and reduce spending on the military and farm subsidies along the way. I love how you guys criticize us in the abstract. Why don't you criticize specific parts of my record? I would love to defend that!
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« Reply #65 on: November 09, 2013, 05:16:26 am »

Can anyone really disagree on the substance of the argument - that the P-U's recent pan-ideological recruitment push is greatly disturbing? I'm not looking forward to an amorphous intellectually void blob hovering around the centre of the game.
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« Reply #66 on: November 09, 2013, 05:59:57 am »

Can anyone really disagree on the substance of the argument - that the P-U's recent pan-ideological recruitment push is greatly disturbing? I'm not looking forward to an amorphous intellectually void blob hovering around the centre of the game.

> was in TPP
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« Reply #67 on: November 09, 2013, 06:06:01 am »
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Can anyone really disagree on the substance of the argument - that the P-U's recent pan-ideological recruitment push is greatly disturbing? I'm not looking forward to an amorphous intellectually void blob hovering around the centre of the game.

> was in TPP

The crucial difference being that TPP didn't attempt to recruit hordes of newbies in a membership-boosting stunt, we always were a small party.

e: Also if you look at the membership of TPP it was people like me, Cinci, Duke, X, Franzl... people who you could all clearly say were more or less on the same spectrum politically. This isn't the like the P-U which literally refuses to take positions on abortion and has people who think gay marriage is a sick abomination as members in good standing.

And, of course, TPP wasn't the successor to the Wolfentoad machine...
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« Reply #68 on: November 09, 2013, 11:28:23 am »

TPP had no ideology and there was only one contested vote during my entire presidency which had its senate delegation voting cohesively. It was a nonideological blob. TexasDem recruited or tried to recruit newbies all the time; perhaps he was acting on his own but it wasn't exactly a secret. Wolfentoad's been long gone and has m othing to do with the PU. Hard to have a conversation when one side is so full of sh**t...
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« Reply #69 on: November 09, 2013, 01:49:27 pm »
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TPP had no ideology and there was only one contested vote during my entire presidency which had its senate delegation voting cohesively. It was a nonideological blob. TexasDem recruited or tried to recruit newbies all the time; perhaps he was acting on his own but it wasn't exactly a secret. Wolfentoad's been long gone and has m othing to do with the PU. Hard to have a conversation when one side is so full of sh**t...
Aww...

The funny thing was that TPP had six, excellent and active Senators (Ben, Mr. X, Simfan, Nix, Franzl, and Oakvale), all of whom participated in debate and made excellent contributions in office, while at the time the Liberal Party had none (possibly due to your openly destructive presidency). And at times when the Liberal Party did have Senators in office, they were either inactive (Napoleon/Kalwejt) or dick buddies (Sbane/Napoleon). Seems to any reasonable observer you're quite jealous of TPP's delegation. And as Oak has said, the membership of TPP was more or less ideologically similar. This might be a novel concept for you, but ideologically similar doesn't mean ideologically identical. It's not surprising someone's who has been as awful a Senator as yourself would rather have people vote as an unthinking horde.

Also, you claimed earlier that Labor, which usually has its Senators voting together (mostly because the issues before the Senate at the time have dealt with labor/employment issues) is a personality cult and ideological blob? It seems like this is just one of the buzzwords you throw around whenever you have to explain why a party easily outdid your magical Liberal Party (lol).

I did recruit people for TPP, but when I did, I only contacted center-left folks. And when most of them got back to me, either Wolfentoad had PMed them as soon as they joined the site or they had received so many PMs from (sometimes 20+) that they had no interest in joining the game. In addition, he recruited people from Stormfront and tried to bring everyone, libertarian, conservative, or socialist into the Liberal Party, an ideological blob. Not comparable.

Grow up a little bit and try again.
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« Reply #70 on: November 09, 2013, 01:56:57 pm »

The Progressive Union is not the ideological blob the Liberal Party once was. Everyone I have tried to recruit is within the mainstream of our party. PRO is not simply a reincarnation of Liberal because former Liberals have joined PRO, Labor, Federalist, and D-R alike.
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« Reply #71 on: November 09, 2013, 02:01:13 pm »
« Edited: November 09, 2013, 02:05:43 pm by public reaction to jimmy savile accusations »

Lol, if that's how you see things
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« Reply #72 on: November 09, 2013, 02:03:00 pm »

Can anyone really disagree on the substance of the argument - that the P-U's recent pan-ideological recruitment push is greatly disturbing? I'm not looking forward to an amorphous intellectually void blob hovering around the centre of the game.

Shades of the UAC.
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« Reply #73 on: November 09, 2013, 02:07:27 pm »

The only sickening thing I see in this thread is a bunch of bullying by people that probably stand against bullying IRL.  Ick.
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« Reply #74 on: November 09, 2013, 02:07:57 pm »


I love how this is biggest criticism of me they can come up with. "OMGZ he is a dick buddy!" (btw the term you were likely looking for is "butt buddies")
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