Urban County Clusters - Delineations
angus:
Quote from: jimrtex on November 21, 2016, 02:40:34 AM
The characterization which we (muon2 and myself) have used is based on the population within the urbanized areas within the county. In the case of Lancaster County, this includes 397K in the Lancaster Urbanized Area, and 5K in the Philadelphia Urbanized Area, for a total of 402K in urbanized areas (the total and percentages were based on actual values, then rounded).
makes sense. Thank you.
Quote from: jimrtex on November 21, 2016, 02:40:34 AM
I don't know whether you have been following the redistricting discussion mostly between Muon2, Torie, and myself, but a goal is to have congressional districts constructed primarily from counties, and to have objective criteria for comparing different plans.
also makes sense, but good luck getting that through the PA legislature. Here's a map for a typical congressional district:
pretty creative, don't you think? (The area labeled Salisbury Heights is probably where the 5000 people live who are not in the Lancaster MSA but in the Philadelphia MSA.)
muon2:
Quote from: angus on November 21, 2016, 10:25:13 AM
Quote from: jimrtex on November 21, 2016, 02:40:34 AM
The characterization which we (muon2 and myself) have used is based on the population within the urbanized areas within the county. In the case of Lancaster County, this includes 397K in the Lancaster Urbanized Area, and 5K in the Philadelphia Urbanized Area, for a total of 402K in urbanized areas (the total and percentages were based on actual values, then rounded).
makes sense. Thank you.
Quote from: jimrtex on November 21, 2016, 02:40:34 AM
I don't know whether you have been following the redistricting discussion mostly between Muon2, Torie, and myself, but a goal is to have congressional districts constructed primarily from counties, and to have objective criteria for comparing different plans.
also makes sense, but good luck getting that through the PA legislature. Here's a map for a typical congressional district:
pretty creative, don't you think? (The area labeled Salisbury Heights is probably where the 5000 people live who are not in the Lancaster MSA but in the Philadelphia MSA.)
In 2014 the Pubs in the OH legislature realized they may not hold the legislative trifecta indefinitely. They put together a bipartisan compromise that didn't help them keep their 2010 gains, but insured that the reverse couldn't happen. It passed as a constitutional amendment in 2015.
OH didn't have all the fine details of our system, but they headed in some of the right direction. The question is whether PA will also recognize that missing the Gov and Supremes, it won't necessarily be enough to have the legislature. When they realize that, they too may go for an amendment.
jimrtex:
Quote from: muon2 on November 21, 2016, 08:54:36 PM
Quote from: angus on November 21, 2016, 10:25:13 AM
Quote from: jimrtex on November 21, 2016, 02:40:34 AM
The characterization which we (muon2 and myself) have used is based on the population within the urbanized areas within the county. In the case of Lancaster County, this includes 397K in the Lancaster Urbanized Area, and 5K in the Philadelphia Urbanized Area, for a total of 402K in urbanized areas (the total and percentages were based on actual values, then rounded).
makes sense. Thank you.
Quote from: jimrtex on November 21, 2016, 02:40:34 AM
I don't know whether you have been following the redistricting discussion mostly between Muon2, Torie, and myself, but a goal is to have congressional districts constructed primarily from counties, and to have objective criteria for comparing different plans.
also makes sense, but good luck getting that through the PA legislature. Here's a map for a typical congressional district:
pretty creative, don't you think? (The area labeled Salisbury Heights is probably where the 5000 people live who are not in the Lancaster MSA but in the Philadelphia MSA.)
In 2014 the Pubs in the OH legislature realized they may not hold the legislative trifecta indefinitely. They put together a bipartisan compromise that didn't help them keep their 2010 gains, but insured that the reverse couldn't happen. It passed as a constitutional amendment in 2015.
OH didn't have all the fine details of our system, but they headed in some of the right direction. The question is whether PA will also recognize that missing the Gov and Supremes, it won't necessarily be enough to have the legislature. When they realize that, they too may go for an amendment.
Pennsylvania has a requirement in the state constitution to not split political subdivisions. In Pennsylvania this is a particular challenge since the subdivisions don't necessarily nest, and there are odd collections of units such as boroughs.
Nonetheless, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court overturned the legislature's plan.
If a more relaxed standard of population equality were used it would be easier to apportion Pennsylvania.
You could put 6 districts in the Philadelphia UCC.
Put Lancaster and Lebanon together.
Base a district in Harrisburg.
Go west from York.
One district in the Lehigh Valley.
One district based on Scranton-Wilkes-Barre area.
Three districts in southwestern Pennsylvania.
Divide the remainder of the state into 4 districts that would draw themselves.
America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS:
How would this look in New England if the same formula was applied at the Town level instead of at the County level? Please include a list of Towns impacted by the 25k/40% rule.
jimrtex:
The Urban Areas based on the 2020 Census have been "released"
Urban and Rural
"released" is in quotes because I am not sure how complete the release is. In particular it appears that the only way to get county populations is from data at the census block level which has been coded with the 2020 urban area. Census blocks are also coded with their county (the county ID is also part of the census block ID since nesting is:
state - county - census tract - block group - block
Relationship files scheduled to be released in "late February 2023" may provide that data.
There is a USA map of urban areas.
2020 Census Urban Areas Wall Map (PDF)
I have not compared 2020 to 2010, other than to note that the 2020 definition permits discontinuous urban areas, so while blobs may follow highways, they don't have to have connecting blocks, so the areas may be less spidery (hard to tell from a USA map).
2020 areas are based on housing density rather than population density. This appears to have resulted in recognition of seasonal areas in Colorado, and maybe in northern LP of Michigan and maybe in the Adirondacks.
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